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rub rail insert

Patrick McAneny
 

I am having my boat awlgripped and will have a new insert installed in the rub rail. I was wondering if anyone could tell me how many man hours it took to install the rubber insert , or how much was charged to install it. I have been quoted $1,600. for labor to remove and install a new insert. I would think one hour to remove and maybe two guys  five hrs. to install , so even at $100./hr. it seems high. Is this a harder and longer job than I estimate.
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans

Jarek Zemlo
 

Hello Patric,

I am intending to do the same but can not get the new insert. Contacted AMEL but they replied that they do not have the new for my SM 1997. Where did you get yours if I may ask? 

I am in Belgium at present reciting my boat and $ 1.600 sounds very high. I guess here I can do this operation fo 50% less if not lower. 

AMEL quoted EUR 25,95 per running metre for the new insert but they are not sure if this is the correct profile for my SM 1997.

Cheers
--
Jarek Zemlo
NOA BLUE

Rink De Haan
 

Hi Patric and Jarek

I am also in the process of changing my rub rail insert. 
I got mine from Amel and got a profile drawing from Maud to check the type of insert (see picture). 
The yard in Greece is currently removing the old one. I can tell the price after a few days. 
I’ll insert the new one after the rub rail is polished. That will be in April. 

Hope this helps
Regards 
Rink
SY Razor’s Edge
2001 Amel SM2K #330 

Op vr 7 feb. 2020 om 10:44 schreef Jarek Zemlo via Groups.Io <noa_blue=protonmail.com@groups.io>

Hello Patric,

I am intending to do the same but can not get the new insert. Contacted AMEL but they replied that they do not have the new for my SM 1997. Where did you get yours if I may ask? 

I am in Belgium at present reciting my boat and $ 1.600 sounds very high. I guess here I can do this operation fo 50% less if not lower. 

AMEL quoted EUR 25,95 per running metre for the new insert but they are not sure if this is the correct profile for my SM 1997.

Cheers
--
Jarek Zemlo
NOA BLUE

Mike Ondra
 

Hi Pat, 
Haven Harbor pulled out the gutter to paint the rub rail and then re-inserted the old one. It was part of the overall job and not a broken out line item. I don’t think it was a significant element of their work labor wise. Like so many projects on a boat when you ask somebody to quote the labor they’re going to need to figure high.
Mike
Aletes SM 240

On Feb 7, 2020, at 5:41 AM, Rink De Haan <rinkdehaan@...> wrote:


Hi Patric and Jarek

I am also in the process of changing my rub rail insert. 
I got mine from Amel and got a profile drawing from Maud to check the type of insert (see picture). 
<IMG_5994.jpg>
The yard in Greece is currently removing the old one. I can tell the price after a few days. 
I’ll insert the new one after the rub rail is polished. That will be in April. 

Hope this helps
Regards 
Rink
SY Razor’s Edge
2001 Amel SM2K #330 

Op vr 7 feb. 2020 om 10:44 schreef Jarek Zemlo via Groups.Io <noa_blue=protonmail.com@groups.io>
Hello Patric,

I am intending to do the same but can not get the new insert. Contacted AMEL but they replied that they do not have the new for my SM 1997. Where did you get yours if I may ask? 

I am in Belgium at present reciting my boat and $ 1.600 sounds very high. I guess here I can do this operation fo 50% less if not lower. 

AMEL quoted EUR 25,95 per running metre for the new insert but they are not sure if this is the correct profile for my SM 1997.

Cheers
--
Jarek Zemlo
NOA BLUE

Patrick McAneny
 

Jarek, Maud gave me the quote on the price ,but did not mention it's availability. I assumed they had it in stock.
Pat
SM #123


-----Original Message-----
From: Jarek Zemlo via Groups.Io <noa_blue@...>
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Sent: Fri, Feb 7, 2020 4:44 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] rub rail insert

Hello Patric,

I am intending to do the same but can not get the new insert. Contacted AMEL but they replied that they do not have the new for my SM 1997. Where did you get yours if I may ask? 

I am in Belgium at present reciting my boat and $ 1.600 sounds very high. I guess here I can do this operation fo 50% less if not lower. 

AMEL quoted EUR 25,95 per running metre for the new insert but they are not sure if this is the correct profile for my SM 1997.

Cheers
--
Jarek Zemlo
NOA BLUE

Craig Briggs SN 68 Sangaris
 

Hi Pat,
I've removed and replaced mine (after gelcoat touchup) maybe 4 or 5 times. It takes about 5 minutes to take them out and maybe 45 minutes to put them back.  Another hour to scrub and rinse before replacing.
Cheers, Craig

Patrick McAneny
 

Mike, It was Haven Harbor that gave me the rather high quote. It is a quote that will go to my insurance company and I am reluctant to send it to them, as I think it is too high and may lead them to reject the entire estimate. That is why I am trying to determine a reasonable charge for labor ,before I contact Haven Harbor to see about having the quote adjusted down. Did you have your boat painted with Awlgrip or Awlcraft ? Did they do a good job ? Worton Creek wants to take the masts off ,to put her in  a shed for repairs and paint ,probably the correct way to do it ,although more expensive and hassle. Should get their estimate today, I would like to know if you guys were happy with H.H. work. You may know Georgetown went belly up and was auctioned off Jan.14th., could not have happen to a more deserving family .  They tried to keep/steal my $10,000 deposit ,and had not touched my boat ,I got it back a week later after going to the police and then the prosecutors and having them charged with felony fraud .I reluctantly dropped the charges after getting my money back. Georgetown is now owned by Safe Harbors ,a large outfit ,that is buying up marinas , about seven on the Bay and 80 total now ,with plans to own around 200 in the next few years. 
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Ondra via Groups.Io <mdondra@...>
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Sent: Fri, Feb 7, 2020 5:58 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] rub rail insert

Hi Pat, 
Haven Harbor pulled out the gutter to paint the rub rail and then re-inserted the old one. It was part of the overall job and not a broken out line item. I don’t think it was a significant element of their work labor wise. Like so many projects on a boat when you ask somebody to quote the labor they’re going to need to figure high.
Mike
Aletes SM 240

On Feb 7, 2020, at 5:41 AM, Rink De Haan <rinkdehaan@...> wrote:


Hi Patric and Jarek

I am also in the process of changing my rub rail insert. 
I got mine from Amel and got a profile drawing from Maud to check the type of insert (see picture). 
<IMG_5994.jpg>
The yard in Greece is currently removing the old one. I can tell the price after a few days. 
I’ll insert the new one after the rub rail is polished. That will be in April. 

Hope this helps
Regards 
Rink
SY Razor’s Edge
2001 Amel SM2K #330 

Op vr 7 feb. 2020 om 10:44 schreef Jarek Zemlo via Groups.Io <noa_blue=protonmail.com@groups.io>
Hello Patric,

I am intending to do the same but can not get the new insert. Contacted AMEL but they replied that they do not have the new for my SM 1997. Where did you get yours if I may ask? 

I am in Belgium at present reciting my boat and $ 1.600 sounds very high. I guess here I can do this operation fo 50% less if not lower. 

AMEL quoted EUR 25,95 per running metre for the new insert but they are not sure if this is the correct profile for my SM 1997.

Cheers
--
Jarek Zemlo
NOA BLUE

Patrick McAneny
 

Craig, I thought I was being very generous with my estimate of time to remove and replace the insert. I really thought it should only take minutes to take out and maybe a two hours or so to replace. so maybe $400. for labor would be more reasonable ,than $1,600 , They quoted $1000. for the insert ,which is higher than the cost ,about $900. ,but fine ,they have a right to make a profit. 
Thanks for your input,
Pat
SM #123


-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Briggs SN 68 Sangaris via Groups.Io <sangaris@...>
To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Sent: Fri, Feb 7, 2020 7:56 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] rub rail insert

Hi Pat,
I've removed and replaced mine (after gelcoat touchup) maybe 4 or 5 times. It takes about 5 minutes to take them out and maybe 45 minutes to put them back.  Another hour to scrub and rinse before replacing.
Cheers, Craig

Stephen Davis
 

Hi Pat,

When we had our hull painted in Trinidad in 2016, it took 2 guys half an hour to remove both sides, and about an hour to re-install the old one after I had cleaned it up. I suspect the yard is bidding high because they don’t realize how easy the job is. 


You will love the look of the paint when it’s done, and ours has held up well. We did the boot stripe in awlgrip desert sand, and in the 2 stripe style of a newer 54...It looks really nice. 


Steve Davis
Aloha SM 72...On the hard in Hawaii

Patrick McAneny
 

Steve, I awlgripped my boat 12 yrs. ago, and it looked like a new boat and has looked great for years. A 47 cat (rental boat) drug down on us , at 4am. in Guadeloupe last winter,thus the need for a new paint job. I think I will go with Awlcraft this time ,a bit softer but easily repaired ,unlike Awlgrip. I need to research that a bit more ,but a couple of painters have suggested I consider going with Awlcraft. 
Thanks for info,
Pat
SM Shenanigans



-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Davis <flyboyscd@...>
To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Sent: Fri, Feb 7, 2020 10:20 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] rub rail insert

Hi Pat,

When we had our hull painted in Trinidad in 2016, it took 2 guys half an hour to remove both sides, and about an hour to re-install the old one after I had cleaned it up. I suspect the yard is bidding high because they don’t realize how easy the job is. 

You will love the look of the paint when it’s done, and ours has held up well. We did the boot stripe in awlgrip desert sand, and in the 2 stripe style of a newer 54...It looks really nice. 

Steve Davis
Aloha SM 72...On the hard in Hawaii

Gary Silver
 
Edited

I obtained my rub rail insert (I call it "scupper") from SAV in Dec 2017 for repairs Liahona ( Hull # 335) sustained during Hurricanes Irma and Maria.  The material, including shipping (air freight) to Puerto Rico was $ 2,686 US.  Removal of the original scupper is very quick (easily less than one hour),  I wasn't present when they inserted the new scupper but did see it done to Liahona's sister boat, "Cloud Street" (Hull # 333 I believe) done a few weeks after my boat was done.  I would estimate that it took two workers about 4 hrs per side to install the new scupper material. 

Sorry for thread creep: Following hurricane repairs my hull, boot stripe, rub rail, and toe rail (including all hatch surrounds and hatch areas that were matching color) were painted with multiple coats of epoxy primer followed by multiple coats (5 as I recall) of Awlcraft.  It was explained and demonstrated to me that re-gel coating damaged areas would lead to excessive porosity and poor outcome.  It was further explained to me that Awlcraft was easier to repair than Awlgrip and that is why it was recommended to me.  It looks great and my boat maintenance has decreased since I don't have to wax the toe rail and rub rail every couple of months.  I choose Awlgrip for my deck-stripe repaint due to it being harder and more abrasion resistant.  

All the best, 

Gary S Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM 2000 # 335
Puerto Del Rey Marina,  Puerto Rico

Patrick McAneny
 

Gary, I don't understand the cost of $2686. for the insert/scupper ,Maud quoted me about $798. Euro . I agree a painted boat is much easier to keep clean and shiny. The paint is not porous like the gelcoat ,thus does not hold stains. I will use your time for labor to install the scuppers to negotiate a better price before submitting to my insurance company. 
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Silver via Groups.Io <garysilver@...>
To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Sent: Fri, Feb 7, 2020 2:25 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] rub rail insert

I obtained my rub rail insert (I call it "scupper") from SAV in Dec 2017 for repairs Liahona ( Hull # 335) sustained during Hurricanes Irma and Maria.  The material, including shipping (air freight) to Puerto Rico was $,2686 US.  Removal of the original scupper is very quick (easily less than one hour),  I wasn't present when they inserted the new scupper but did see it done to Liahona's sister boat, "Cloud Street" (Hull # 333 I believe) done a few weeks after my boat was done.  I would estimate that it took two workers about 4 hrs per side to install the new scupper material. 

Sorry for thread creep: Following hurricane repairs my hull, boot stripe, rub rail, and toe rail (including all hatch surrounds and hatch areas that were matching color) were painted with multiple coats of epoxy primer followed by multiple coats (5 as I recall) of Awlcraft.  It was explained and demonstrated to me that re-gel coating damaged areas would lead to excessive porosity and poor outcome.  It was further explained to me that Awlcraft was easier to repair than Awlgrip and that is why it was recommended to me.  It looks great and my boat maintenance has decreased since I don't have to wax the toe rail and rub rail every couple of months.  I choose Awlgrip for my deck-stripe repaint due to it being harder and more abrasion resistant.  

All the best, 

Gary S Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM 2000 # 335
Puerto Del Rey Marina,  Puerto Rico

Steve Bode
 

We did this job on Intention. It was not tricky...once we did it. Two man job, 45 min.
I can send you the video.

--
Steve Bode
Capt. SV Intention
Amel SM #117 (1994)
+1 415 710-6659 Mobile/Text/WhatsApp
facebook.com/stevebodesanfrancisco
svintention.com

Patrick McAneny
 

Steve, I would like to see the video,we are only six boats apart as I am #123. You could send it direct if you like , to sailw32@... ,or post it,others may be interested.
Thanks,
Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Bode <Whatsup@...>
To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Feb 8, 2020 10:24 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] rub rail insert

We did this job on Intention. It was not tricky...once we did it. Two man job, 45 min.
I can send you the video.

--
Steve Bode
Capt. SV Intention
Amel SM #117 (1994)
+1 415 710-6659 Mobile/Text/WhatsApp
facebook.com/stevebodesanfrancisco
svintention.com

Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222
 

He Steve
i am intrested by the video too
Best Elja
SM Balu
#222



Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Mark Erdos
 

Pat, it is very heavy and the freight is the killer if ordered from Amel

 

We managed to get replacement rub-rail inserts from another owner in Martinique.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Patrick McAneny via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2020 9:37 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] rub rail insert

 

Gary, I don't understand the cost of $2686. for the insert/scupper ,Maud quoted me about $798. Euro . I agree a painted boat is much easier to keep clean and shiny. The paint is not porous like the gelcoat ,thus does not hold stains. I will use your time for labor to install the scuppers to negotiate a better price before submitting to my insurance company. 

Thanks,

Pat

SM Shenanigans

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Silver via Groups.Io <garysilver@...>
To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Sent: Fri, Feb 7, 2020 2:25 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] rub rail insert

I obtained my rub rail insert (I call it "scupper") from SAV in Dec 2017 for repairs Liahona ( Hull # 335) sustained during Hurricanes Irma and Maria.  The material, including shipping (air freight) to Puerto Rico was $,2686 US.  Removal of the original scupper is very quick (easily less than one hour),  I wasn't present when they inserted the new scupper but did see it done to Liahona's sister boat, "Cloud Street" (Hull # 333 I believe) done a few weeks after my boat was done.  I would estimate that it took two workers about 4 hrs per side to install the new scupper material. 

Sorry for thread creep: Following hurricane repairs my hull, boot stripe, rub rail, and toe rail (including all hatch surrounds and hatch areas that were matching color) were painted with multiple coats of epoxy primer followed by multiple coats (5 as I recall) of Awlcraft.  It was explained and demonstrated to me that re-gel coating damaged areas would lead to excessive porosity and poor outcome.  It was further explained to me that Awlcraft was easier to repair than Awlgrip and that is why it was recommended to me.  It looks great and my boat maintenance has decreased since I don't have to wax the toe rail and rub rail every couple of months.  I choose Awlgrip for my deck-stripe repaint due to it being harder and more abrasion resistant.  

All the best, 

Gary S Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM 2000 # 335
Puerto Del Rey Marina,  Puerto Rico

Jarek Zemlo
 

Rink Hi,

I got this profile from Maud (see  below). Do you know if this is the correct one for the SM (1997) ?

Best regards
--
Jarek Zemlo
NOA BLUE

Patrick McAneny
 

Good question,Maud sent the same diagram ,but without  removing the scupper its hard to know the profile.
Pat
SM #123


-----Original Message-----
From: Jarek Zemlo via Groups.Io <noa_blue@...>
To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Feb 9, 2020 12:52 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] rub rail insert

Rink Hi,

I got this profile from Maud (see  below). Do you know if this is the correct one for the SM (1997) ?

Best regards
--
Jarek Zemlo
NOA BLUE

Steve Bode
 
Edited

Okay, because several people asked for it, I posted this short, silly video of me installing the toe rail. Mind you, it was June in Bodrum, 100 degrees and we were cursing and swearing when we were doing this, but afterward we realized, "that wasn't so hard". I could do this again in under an hour.

https://youtu.be/Ol9BhJ5HVls

From the description in the video:

Replacing the rubber between the deck and the freeboard is not an easy procedure for one person, however, with knowledge of how it's done, can be accomplished without much loss of life. I struggled and struggled and finally got a system using copious amounts of dishsoap, two people and a 'pre-loading and press-in" procedure that works quite nicely. Tricks learned:  1. We did this while the boat was at the dock. We snugged the boat up close. Heaven help you if you have to do this on the hard. 2. wash and clean the rubber first. 3. Have a new bottle of dishsoap handy 4. plan on two people for the job. One to insert the rubber onto the edge of the fiberglass from the hull (what I call the protrusion) and the other person to press it into place against the gunwale about a half meter behind the first person. 5. Make sure you have the right rubber for the right side of the boat. 6. Start from the forward most chainplate and press the rubber slot onto the protrusion. Start at the chainplate because the rubber is cut and it's easier to get it started.  7. Lube up the rubber with copious amounts of dishsoap. Especially the slot and the back that will need to be pressed down against the gunwale.  8. Do not continue until you have  measured out the rubber to be sure that it will reach the full length to the bow. You will need to stretch the rubber just enough to cover the distance, but not too much or you will have too much. 9. Press the rubber onto the protrusion for about a half meter. 10. Starting back a half meter from where you have the rubber on the protrusion. press the rubber down against the gunwale with a wooden stick (I found a stout wooden spatchula works best) being careful not to scratch the gunwale. Don't use metal (like we did in the video!) 11. With two people, while one person is a half meter ahead lubing and fitting the rubber onto the hull protrusion, the other is back a half meter pressing it down against the gunwale. Good luck, Bode
--
Steve Bode
Capt. SV Intention
Amel SM #117 (1994)
+1 415 710-6659 Mobile/Text/WhatsApp
facebook.com/stevebodesanfrancisco
svintention.com

Rink De Haan
 

I checked it on the boat and it matches mine on our 2001 SM2k.

 

Van: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io namens Patrick McAneny via Groups.Io <sailw32@...>
Verzonden: maandag, februari 10, 2020 12:00 AM
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Onderwerp: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] rub rail insert
 
Good question,Maud sent the same diagram ,but without  removing the scupper its hard to know the profile.
Pat
SM #123


-----Original Message-----
From: Jarek Zemlo via Groups.Io <noa_blue@...>
To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Feb 9, 2020 12:52 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] rub rail insert

Rink Hi,

I got this profile from Maud (see  below). Do you know if this is the correct one for the SM (1997) ?

Best regards
--
Jarek Zemlo
NOA BLUE