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Santorin stern cabin berth
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José Balcells
Greetings:
I am considering Amel Santorin for the next boat and was wondering if any owner has done modifications to the stern cabin berth. I like the design idea of a queen size bed with access from both sides. You see this design in the newer Amels and in other sailboats. Here is a picture of the concept.  I realize that the Santorin has less space than what is picture above, so adjustments would need to be made. Just looking to see if it is even possible with what is under the bed on both sides. I had a Beneteau Oceanis 44 for 7 years and it was a pain for my wife and I to get in and out of bed. Easy access in and out of bed is a top priority on the next boat. 😀 From pictures and specs, it looks like Santorins have split beds. Double and single? Thanks for taking the time to share your wisdom and experience with these boats. José Balcells Amel Santorin Prospect |
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Ian Park
We find the Lee boards very useful in a seaway. Difficult to see how you would install them.
More importantly the beds are about 6’ long from toilet bulkhead to stern bulkhead. You wouldn’t be able to walk round the foot of the bed without removing the toilet and a structural bulkhead. I believe the same might be true of the SM. Ian Ocean Hobo SN96 |
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If this is that important, perhaps an Amel is not the boat for you. Most of the interior
structure adds to the rigidness of the vessel, thus you'd be
modifying the basic design and safety. Besides, when underway
we appreciate the ability to sleep without the use of lee
cloth/boards back there. With best regards,
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275
On 10/27/2022 11:54 AM, José Balcells
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Hi José, I also like that design, but a fellow I know had that on his HR. He said the blood flow to his head was too much to bear, as his boat was slightly overloaded in the stern. Just something to think about. Good luck! On Thu, 27 Oct 2022, 22:54 José Balcells, <jebalcells@...> wrote: Greetings: |
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Jose, it is perfect in the harbor. Very convenient as you said in the marina.
This summer in the Med the rolling at anchorage was so bad! After midnight the wind would turn to a shore breeze exposing the broad sides to the sea. And then non stop ferries and cargos. I had to put the lee boards and left them on for two months. I could have set up a second anchor but I was single handed and it was too much work for one night and anchorages were crowded. If it is that important for you given your navigation plans, get a different boat like a 54 or 55. Newer designs have huge sterns (creating other problems when you sail) and hence a queen size bed and plenty of storage in the lazarette. -- John Bernard "JB" Duler San Francisco Meltem # 19, Western Med |
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Hi José,
The Santorin split berths are a single to starboard and a wider single to port that has a filler support board and cushion to make it a Pullman double - actually almost queen width at the forward end. As Ian points out, a center queen is precluded by the bulkhead of the aft head. We had a custom mattress made to fit the "almost queen" size, so always have the filler support board in place and, therefore, do not use the filler cushion. One option, though, that I did do, is to rearrange into an athwartship berth, which makes a rolly anchorage just fine and gives much more length to the berth (full boat width, actually, since it's athwartships). While it is still a Pullman, you could easily fit a conventional king size mattress and still have space at the ends. We just turn our "almost queen" 90°, though because we want to be able to go back and forth to the original. What I did was to add a trapezoidal plywood piece across the aft part of the open floor space between the singles. It is supported on the existing structure aft and I added two small mahogany supports at the forward end on both sides. We normally use it in the original split configuration, but the athwartship option is very easy to switch to when needed, plus I don't have to put out a stern anchor. Lots of ways to skin a cat. Cheers, Craig Briggs - s/v Sangaris / SN68 Tropic Isle Harbor, FL |
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Craig, this is a great idea! Haven't thought about it.
This summer at anchorage it was rolling so much that I could not leave the plates and glasses to dry by the sink. Everything would end up on the floor. Can you send photos? Did you fit lee board perpendicular to the boat? Thanks! -- John Bernard "JB" Duler San Francisco Meltem # 19, Western Med |
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John,
With the athwartship layout there's no need for leeboards, it's all roll and you're lying parallel to it. (If the boat is pitching so much that you are rolling out of bed, you've got bigger problems ;-) With some rolly anchorages, as an easier option to setting a stern anchor to hold us into the swell, I've also used a long snubber (a 40'-50' dock line is good) run aft outboard of everything to a primary winch, then let out 30'-40' of chain and lie sideways to the wind, which puts us bow into the swell. You can play with the snubber length to get it just right. You may have to bring it in during the night if the wind dies, as it often does in the Med, but at least you don't break your crystal stemware or chip the china. Craig Briggs - s/v Sangaris / SN68 Tropic Isle Harbor, FL |
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José Balcells
Dear Craig, Ian, Thomas, John, and Mark:
Thank you all for taking the time to share your ideas and experiences. Craig, I like your suggestion of turning the mattress, as an option, so it can be parallel to possible rolling. Kind regards, José |
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Hi Craig |
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David Vogel
Angle Anchoring :
Check out: https://oceannavigator.com/anchoring-techniques/ Best, David SM#396, Perigee Still on the Hard, taking a break Now with bowthruster re-assembled and ready to go back in ... just waiting on neoprene contact cement to reach 24HR bond-strength From: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of "Nicolas Klene via groups.io" <laixoi@...> Reply to: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> Date: Monday, 31 October 2022 at 11:22 am To: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Santorin stern cabin berth Hi Craig sorry to come back to you, but probably because of my limited English , I do not comprehend the way you have to avoid rolling anchorage with a snubber and some anchor chain …would you mind explaining it differently Maybe with a simple drawing !?🤔 thank you for your time !! Simple Nick🙄 -- Nicolas Klene DarNico SM2K # 471 In Marseille |
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All understood !
very good article , Thank you David ! -- Nicolas Klene DarNico SM2K # 471 In Marseille |
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If using the winch
bridle method, it is important to note the rode should be
increased to account for the vessel putting additional strain
on the anchor as it is broadside to the wind. Also, not the
best method to use in anything other than ideal conditions.
I'm surprised the Ocean Navigator article doesn't say this. A
properly placed stern anchor is by far my preferred method.
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia
On 10/30/2022 2:24 PM, David Vogel
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Angle Anchoring : Check out: https://oceannavigator.com/anchoring-techniques/ Best, David SM#396, Perigee Still on the Hard, taking a break Now with bowthruster re-assembled and ready to go back in ... just waiting on neoprene contact cement to reach 24HR bond-strength From: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of "Nicolas Klene via groups.io" <laixoi@...> Reply to: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> Date: Monday, 31 October 2022 at 11:22 am To: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Santorin stern cabin berth Hi Craig sorry to come back to you, but probably because of my limited English , I do not comprehend the way you have to avoid rolling anchorage with a snubber and some anchor chain …would you mind explaining it differently Maybe with a simple drawing !?🤔 thank you for your time !! Simple Nick🙄 |
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Thanks, David - a picture is worth a thousand words and I didn't know that anchoring technique had a name - "Winch Bridle".
We learn something new every day and both Nick and I appreciate it, I'm sure! --Cheers, Craig Briggs - s/v Sangaris / SN68 Tropic Isle Harbor, FL |
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