Date
1 - 16 of 16
SM Jib Swivel/Halyard Stuck at top of mast
|
assistanttoblackdog <atwaterfour@...>
Hi Ann-Sofie,
Good suggestion, thanks & will do, Jim SM384 Sirena Azul |
|||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
|
assistanttoblackdog <atwaterfour@...>
Here is the advice I received from Amel Hyères:
"For your swivel the solution is to hit it gently with a rubber hammer. It is stuck because it hit violently the backstop when the line broke or other possibility the inner plastic tube of the swivel expanded with the ageing. In the last case you will have to dismantle it in order to machine the plastic tube." I will report how it goes. - Jim SM384 Sirena Azul |
|||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
|
assistanttoblackdog <atwaterfour@...>
With help from Amel I succeeded in getting the jib halyard swivel un-stuck and down the forestay.
Mr. DROUHARD at Amel made a drawing for me of the swivel assembly that was especially helpful. I have uploaded this drawing in the files section with the the tag "SM Jib Halyard Swivel Drawing". Once I had the drawing I was able to solve the problem as follows: I attached a line to the swivel where it was stuck at the top of the forestay. I ran this line through the bow/anchor roller, forward to aft, top to bottom. Then to starboard through the block that is normally used for the blue ballooner-pole line at the base of the starboard forward stanchion. And from there to the winch on the port side of the mast that is used for the jib halyard. It is necessary to route the line in this manner to pull on the swivel from the proper angle, and so that the winch can be used without fouling. Next I placed tension on the line using the winch. Then, with the jib halyard slack (of course) and the forestay furler pin disengaged, I manually rotated the forestay until the finger on the swivel went in to the rail (sail track). This was confirmed by a loud noise and tension on the jib halyard. The fact the the good folks at Amel went to the trouble of hand sketching a drawing to help solve this problem for me is one of the many joys of owning an Amel. - Jim SM 384 Sirena Azul |
|||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
|
Raul Schleier
Our jib furler swivel got stuck at the top of the mast after the stiching of the webbing at the head of the jib failed. While we repaired the sail we can't get the swivel down so heading back to port to have another crack at it.
Does anyone have any additional info on how to get the swivel down apart from what's described in this thread?
Thanks
Raul on SeaBean sm#344 |
|||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
|
Raul, It should come down. If it doesn't either the swivel is damaged, or possibly you had a halyard wrap and the swivel tongue has moved out of the grove and has jammed against the foil. 
On Wed, Dec 14, 2022 at 4:56 PM Raul Schleier <raul.schleier@...> wrote: Our jib furler swivel got stuck at the top of the mast after the stiching of the webbing at the head of the jib failed. While we repaired the sail we can't get the swivel down so heading back to port to have another crack at it. |
|||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
|
Raul Schleier
Thanks for your reply Bill,
I know there was no halyard wrap but I suspect the swivel got pulled too high and jammed at the end point somehow. If, as you say, the swivel is damaged, would you know if the methods suggested at the beginning of this thread will work? I.e. pulling hard with a line or rubber mallet. I already tried gently with a spare balooner mouse. Thanks |
|||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
|
Raul,
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
I had something similar happen. The lashing between the halyard and the head of the genoa broke (it is now dyneema) whilst sailing up wind in a solid breeze. The top fuller gear sprang up and jammed. I tried hauling it down with a line, I tried a rubber mallet. Finally I had a really good look and saw what happened. The two arms that are bolted on to stop wraps jammed up. I suspect you have the same problem. There is a black plastic top above the aluminium foil. The nuts of the arms on the inside jammed up on that black cylinder. If indeed that is the problem all you need to do is undo the arms with a spanner and then it frees easy. Nick S/Y Amelia AML 54-019 Leros Gr
|
|||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
|
Hi Nick,
Related question. I will never use my ballooner together with the genoa, on the same forestay, having modified the ballooner to be an independently furling Code Zero on a forward mount. In my case, therefore, do I still need those two steel rods that screw onto the forestay release mechanism? I would be happy to get rid of them Thanks in advance George, on COCO #434 |
|||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
|
I am not sure I understand the question.
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
But the rods are there to stop the halyard twisting. Nothing to do with the ballooner. Nick
|
|||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
|
Raul, If it were me, I would go to the top and inspect before doing anything else. Bill
On Wed, Dec 14, 2022 at 6:47 PM Raul Schleier <raul.schleier@...> wrote: Thanks for your reply Bill, |
|||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
|
Raul Schleier
Thanks for the info Nick ,
What you describe sounds very much like what happened here. I will bring a spanner when i go up. I can't recall what it looks like up there, do you remember if there's any risk of the nuts falling down into the foil if I accidentally drop them? Cheers Raul SeaBean SM#344 |
|||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
|
Ian Park
If it’s the same as the Santorin the nuts will drop into the small well in the top of the swivel and will be safe until retrieved. From memory they are 13mm - Amel seemed to use 13mm for many things to match the plug spanner supplied for the furler gearboxes.
Ian Ocean Hobo SN96 |
|||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
|
No risk at all. You have to get really high with the bosuns chair to see down.
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
Nick On 16 Dec 2022, at 07:42, Ian Park <parkianj@...> wrote: |
|||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
|
Raul, What you want is in my Amel Book Supplements: Go here: https://preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/files-requested-by-amel-yacht-owners.html Download the: file Swivel, Rods, and Foil at top of mast.jpg
On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 1:52 AM Nick Newington via groups.io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io> wrote: No risk at all. You have to get really high with the bosuns chair to see down. |
|||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
|
Raul Schleier
The issue is sorted. Mostly false alarm. Turns out the swivel wasn't badly stuck after all. It just wouldn't come down when pulled by the spare mouse I sent up. Once aloft it could be pulled down by hand easily. I guess the angle of the line attached to the spare mouse wasn't right or I was just too cautious when I pulled the line.
Thank you all for the helpful comments and suggestions. Raul Seabean sm344 |
|||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
|
Bill Kinney
On the issue of the wear on the "alignment tongue" in the swivel:
Amel has a fix for this. They install a 8 or 10 cm long plastic plug in the foil groove that has a slot for the "tongue" from the swivel. The "tongue" no longer bears on the sides of the foil slot and doesn't wear. A very clever solution to the problem. Amel's Martinique staff made and installed this for us, I assume the European service centers can do the same. Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Le Marin, Martinique http://www.cruisingconsulting.com |
|||||||||
|
|
