SSB use in practice
Jay Feaver
Hi Everyone,
I would like to poll the group about SSB use in the real world now. Especially those of you sailing in the Pacific Islands: If you have and SSB (HF) Radio: are you using it? Does it provide a good community? (how are the nets?) Did you fit a marine SSB (AKA an Icom m802/803/804) or did you fit an amateur unit like an (Icom 7100 or Yeasu FT-991)? If you have DSC calling have you used it? Do you find it worth it? My background is that we are looking to cross the Atlantic to the Caribbean this winter and then in due course proceed into the Pacific. The pacific is new territory for us and we will be eager to find the community. I am mulling if I should add an HF radio. We did not use HF on the Canadian west coast but several people have spoken highly of the HF/SSB community in the Caribbean and the Pacific. I am not looking at a pactor modem as we will have fixed Iridium and are looking closely at Starlink for next year. (EDIT: FWIW I have read much of the technical archive. I mean this to be more of a poll current thinking.) Thanks, Jay |
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Hi Jay,
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David Vogel
Answers below
David, SM#396, Perigee Presently using Starlink to get and reply to this, due to unreliable terrestrial local comms
From: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of "Jay Feaver via groups.io" <jay@...> Reply to: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> Date: Wednesday, 15 February 2023 at 2:09 pm To: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] SSB use in practice
Hi Everyone,
I would like to poll the group about SSB use in the real world now. Especially those of you sailing in the Pacific Islands:
If you have and SSB (HF) Radio: are you using it? Only on passage, usually with buddy boat/s; have used in the Caribbean and Eastern Pacific with HF nets and also for shore-based weather skeds – all voice only (no data). Normally don’t bother with HF when anchored out far from the madding crowd.
Does it provide a good community? (how are the nets?) Once you understand and get engaged in the HF community, it is very supportive. HF Nets are focussed and formulaic, but necessary so given the vagaries of the medium.
Did you fit a marine SSB (AKA an Icom m802/803/804) or did you fit an amateur unit like an (Icom 7100 or Yeasu FT-991)? IC-M802 was on-board when we purchased. I have put chokes on almost every power line on-board, and added various bits’n’piece to try and reduce on-board interference. With only limited success.
If you have DSC calling have you used it? Do you find it worth it? Has DSC; have received a few DSC alerts; responding to these results generally in confusion, as familiarity seems to be low. Reconfiguring the system for boat-to-boat DSC is possible, the ‘how-to’ instructions are out there on the internet, but requires buddy boats to do likewise, and this is beyond the competence / interest / tolerance of most other casual users. So, we keep to pre-arranged / scheduled check-ins with buddy boats, or check-in with the published shore-based HF nets (always a good distraction to lose a half-an-hour or two morning and night waiting your turn, and then trying to get through). We call our HF the “I can hear you, can you hear me?” machine.
Some folks, technical types normally, seem to have their HF sets working to be booming through all the time but, scratching below the apparent nonchalance, I have found that they have invariably altered their boat’s electrical system (sometimes significantly) to be able to do this, and go to some lengths (such as switching off ALL electrical equipment during the scheds) to enable this kind of performance. I tried this, short of switching off the instruments and autopilot, but forget to switch on the fridges again on more than one occasion, so eventually found that it wasn’t worth the downside – so put up with poor reception unless dire circumstances dictate otherwise. (PS – we have found our wind-gen to be the worst culprit, even switching it off doesn’t work, as the latching whatevers inside it produce a constant buzz).
Having said all this, I still do keep the HF on board, and semi-periodically power it up and make sure that it is still working. It is a ‘just in case’ thing, not only for our own safety, but also for others “out there”. Use it or lose it ….
As for offshore work and hanging out in remote areas, we have an Iridium Extreme handset (with data modem), augmented since FP with an Iridium GO!, which is generally reliable (if slow), OK for limited graphics and low-bandwidth stuff. Newly now also with Starlink *, I hope that SL will become reliable enough (that is, within the payoffs to established telcos, errr, ‘regulatory’ frameworks, and SL ToS) to become the mainstay within reasonable cost (see, payola to establish telcos). But, for the time being at least, I see the need to maintain an Iridium subscription for on-passage work at least. Even if my HF was delivering adequate results in it’s own rights, going without SatCOMMs in this day and age is below my risk appetite.
* BTW, we decided to spin up our Starlink, which had been on PAUSE; we did this when, post-Cyclone Gabrielle, the mobile phone (& data) network in northern NZ went down completely after wide-spread and sustained power outages post-Cyclone Gabrielle. This happened because the phone towers &/or repeaters ran out of backup power (a mix of battery and genset capability) – that took about 48 hours, as an indication of the resilience of the whole network. So, something to think about, regards relying on local terrestrial networks for communications in cases of flood, cyclone, tsunami, etc etc, and especially when you are away from your home / familiar country.
I mean this to be more of a poll current thinking Summary: we have legacy HF on-board, so I try to use it; would I install one from scratch? No.
My background is that we are looking to cross the Atlantic to the Caribbean this winter and then in due course proceed into the Pacific. The pacific is new territory for us and we will be eager to find the community. I am mulling if I should add an HF radio. We did not use HF on the Canadian west coast but several people have spoken highly of the HF/SSB community in the Caribbean and the Pacific. I am not looking at a pactor modem as we will have fixed Iridium and are looking closely at Starlink for next year.
(EDIT: FWIW I have read much of the technical archive. I mean this to be more of a poll current thinking.)
Thanks, Jay |
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Excellent real world usage response David. Thank you for your contributions to the forum and all the best in the new year! Chuck and Kim sv Joy On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 6:43 PM David Vogel <david.vogel@...> wrote:
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Jay, We have been cruising
full time for 8 years. I have an Icom M802 with a modem that I
installed. I installed it specifically for ocean crossings. It
is more of a back-up than primary communication. I use it if
we are around people we know - the most use was the Pacific
Puddle Jump where about 1/3 of boats had an SSB. I imagine the
Atlantic is the same - we haven't gone there yet. You need to
arrange times and channels ahead of departure. For the most
part, we just left ours on. The power drain on receiving is
minimal. Transmitting is a whole other story - an SSB will
really suck power. If you have one
aboard and get interference to other electrical devises, you
need to invest in ferrites. I have tons of ferrites on
equipment on our boat. The only thing that now interferes with
the SSB is the solar panel controller. I can't seem to stop
this. So, if I have trouble hearing, I can just switch it off
and have a nice clear signal. Also, with ferrites, I do not
have any issue with the SSB interfering with other onboard
electronics. I will warn you, installation is not easy. It
took me about a year to get the thing fine-tuned and ferrites
placed properly. You also need to do this when well away from
any city noise interference. You can't do it when in a marina.
I am not a big
participant of nets. I find most of them worthless. The one in
French Poly is the worst - it consists of about 20 minutes of
vessels giving their positions from all over the South Pacific
and a weather forecast. This happens two times a day. However,
the net in the San Blas in Panama was awesome - it is only on
SSB due to the large area - people there talk quite a bit and
arranged activities over SSB.
One plus is if you use a weather router person. In the Bahamas/Caribbean, there is Chis Parker - The Pacific has Net Bob. I find it easier to chat rather than text or email on the few occasions we use a weather person. If you have a M802 or
803, you can open it to HAM channels. Even if you don't have a
HAM license, you can listen. There is almost always someone on
14300. If you have an issue, they will help you even if you
don't have a HAM license. The SSB has DSC
calling. The only reason I activated this is so, I can
activate the auto SOS function if needed, and it will transmit
our position since the GPS is connected. Other than this, I
don't use DSC and probably never will. On the VHF, I
deliberately choose not to put in the MMSI number, so the DSC
function doesn't work. We have 3 EPIRBS and two satellite
communication devices, so I guess the SSB SOS feature is
overkill. Is it worth it? Not really. Knowing what I know now, I'd probably not go to the expense of installing it. And, it is very expensive to purchase and install. I think in our case, I would say we got our monies worth, but again, we’ve been out here for 8 years. For the first couple of years, we rarely turned it on. If you are looking
for an SSB to increase your social life over nets, it won't.
The very best way to do this is hop in a dinghy while in an
anchorage and drive around visiting other boats. We do this at
just about every anchorage (yes, we are those annoying people
who come knock on your boat to say hi). We've met many people
this way who have turned into lifelong friends. LOL - we've
also met people we hope to avoid. Hope this helps
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia
On 2/14/2023 3:09 PM, Jay Feaver via
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Greg A54 172
Hi everybody,
why not to create a net/group of Amel owners for mf/hf ssb communications? Easy! just subscribe with you MMSI (for DSC calls) and preferred frequencies and channels. May be we can get any general channel to contact. I see a lot of Amels around and it's quit borrowing to call somebody on VHF like "Hey, Amel at the position _______ (+/-3 miles) this is another Amel calling ... over" DSC group would be much better for communications. Great addition to VHF, I think. Why not? |
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We have an ICOM 710 SSB on board with a Dragon Pactor4 modem.
We don't have Iridium or any other satellite system The SSB is our primary means of communication when at sea. We - do daily voice trip reports with Taupo Maritime Radio in New Zealand. - communicate with email via Sailmail which works quite well - well enoiugh for our purposes. - receive routing update files from Predict Wind. - receive weather faxes from NZ and Australia via the modem/SSB/laptop very successfully . - don't participate in nets. It all works very well for us, but then by what I see these days, we are rather minimalist in our approach to things and can survive quite well without the internet. Cheers Alan Elyse SM437 |
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Bill Kinney
You will get lots of different answers from people with very different perspectives. Certainly 25 years ago, if you wanted ANY communications beyond the horizon you choice was SSB or nothing. No people have lots of options.
We had an SSB on board when we bought this boat, and on my last boat. On our current boat I tested it a few times to be sure I could receive weatherfaxes. Then never used it. We now get all our weather info, email, etc, from our Iridium. The SSB has been decommissioned. Using it efficiently is too complex to be done "very occasionally." Being basically anti-social we never had any the slightest interest in "nets", so that wasn't ever anything of value to us. Even VHF local nets we have never really have any use for. Since I struggle to see the point even of things like Facebook most days, we are clearly the wrong people to ask about any community aspects of radio comms. As far as DSC goes, other than the odd emergency alert, I have never, ever, received or transmitted a DSC call on HF or VHF. Even those emergency DSC calls on VHF, every single one I have heard has turned out to be a false alarm. As far as I can tell, DSC is a solution in desperate search for a problem. In any place I have sailed, you will get far more attention from more people, faster and more efficiently with a "MAYDAY" call on CH16 than you will ever get from a DSC Emergency Call, which on most boats just sends people running around trying to figure out how to make that noise they never heard before stop! My understanding is that the normal versions of Starlink do not work far offshore (>~500 miles) unless you are paying the (very!) big bucks for the maritime subscription. Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Great Inagua, Bahamas http://www.cruisingconsulting.com |
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ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
Bill,
I suspect that your experience is shared by many long term cruisers. It certainly reflects our own. The one part of the world where we did find SSB useful was in South America where there were a couple of good nets allowing about a dozen yachts to communicate
at a fixed time each day. Most would be coming south along the Argentinian coast and a couple, like us, were sailing south along the Chilean coast. Very few yachts sail down there and facilities are few and far between, so a bit of company every day was very
welcome. Some great friendships started over the airwaves.
In the past ten years in the Med we have only fired up the SSB to make sure it still works.
Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Kilada, Greece
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Kinney <cruisingconsulting@...>
Sent: 16 February 2023 23:49 To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] SSB use in practice You will get lots of different answers from people with very different perspectives. Certainly 25 years ago, if you wanted ANY communications beyond the horizon you choice was SSB or nothing. No people have lots of options.
We had an SSB on board when we bought this boat, and on my last boat. On our current boat I tested it a few times to be sure I could receive weatherfaxes. Then never used it. We now get all our weather info, email, etc, from our Iridium. The SSB has been decommissioned. Using it efficiently is too complex to be done "very occasionally." Being basically anti-social we never had any the slightest interest in "nets", so that wasn't ever anything of value to us. Even VHF local nets we have never really have any use for. Since I struggle to see the point even of things like Facebook most days, we are clearly the wrong people to ask about any community aspects of radio comms. As far as DSC goes, other than the odd emergency alert, I have never, ever, received or transmitted a DSC call on HF or VHF. Even those emergency DSC calls on VHF, every single one I have heard has turned out to be a false alarm. As far as I can tell, DSC is a solution in desperate search for a problem. In any place I have sailed, you will get far more attention from more people, faster and more efficiently with a "MAYDAY" call on CH16 than you will ever get from a DSC Emergency Call, which on most boats just sends people running around trying to figure out how to make that noise they never heard before stop! My understanding is that the normal versions of Starlink do not work far offshore (>~500 miles) unless you are paying the (very!) big bucks for the maritime subscription. Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Great Inagua, Bahamas http://www.cruisingconsulting.com |
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We had the factory ICOM 710 SSB and had someone install a Dragon Pactor4 modem and we paid an annual subscription to SailMail. We spent a year of our eight in the eastern coast of the US (Miami-Canada) and the rest in Europe (Norway-Israel). Stayed as far from marinas as possible, remaining at anchor for periods as long as four uninterrupted months in between dockings. Now, why is that we hardly used the SSB/Pactor? It's because we had an Iridium GO!, which we activated one month at a time about once a year, on average. It was used whenever engaging on offshore passages longer than about 36 hrs... Captain's orders! (my wife was the captain). But these were few! In Europe, we always had local SIM cards and had cellular coverage most of the time. Were we isolated? Not by any means. At anchor, we made many friends, and we often keep in touch via e-mail... which was easy to do via cellular or Iridium communications. We participated of a VHF "net" only once: at George Town, in the Bahamas. Though the people were lovely and provided oodles of interesting information, after a week and a half we had had enough! On the other hand, for other sailors the nets are one of the best things about sailing. Depends on your personality, I guess. Worthy of note: the Iridium native e-mail is a drag and it gets interrupted whenever you turn off your monthly subscription. The comprehensive SailMail system, although designed for SSB use, was also an efficacious way to send/receive e-mails via Iridium and to keep an offshore e-mail address to continue e-mail conversations while in cellular range. So be careful about depending solely on the Iridium e-mail address.
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