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Stainless steel arch Canaries


Andy Manikata
 

Hello everyone,
looks like we have closed the deal for our SM yesterday ūüėÉ
The boat is in Lanzarote at the moment.
We want to have solar panels on an arch and I wonder if anyone knows someone who does proper stainless steel works somewhere on the Canaries.
Thanks a lot
Andy


 

Congratulations again. You have found a very good SM. I hope that you and Antonija enjoy your years ahead.

Fabricating an arch, especially one that you will want takes lots of experience. I am not sure if you will find what you are looking for in the Canaries. My recommendation is, in addition to soliciting 3rd party recommendations, is to have any fabricator in the Canaries supply you with photos of past projects and contact information for his client(s) for references. Fabricating and welding stainless steel is as much an "art" as it is a skill.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 3:51 AM Andy Manikata <4manikata@...> wrote:
Hello everyone,
looks like we have closed the deal for our SM yesterday ūüėÉ
The boat is in Lanzarote at the moment.
We want to have solar panels on an arch and I wonder if anyone knows someone who does proper stainless steel works somewhere on the Canaries.
Thanks a lot
Andy


Aras Grinius
 

There are quite a few messages about arches.  You might try doing a search in the archives.

Aras
S/V FIASCO
Sharki #163 1988


On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 4:51 AM Andy Manikata <4manikata@...> wrote:
Hello everyone,
looks like we have closed the deal for our SM yesterday ūüėÉ
The boat is in Lanzarote at the moment.
We want to have solar panels on an arch and I wonder if anyone knows someone who does proper stainless steel works somewhere on the Canaries.
Thanks a lot
Andy



--
Aras Grinius


Paul Stascavage
 

ÔĽŅAndy,

Congratulations on your purchase and welcome to the group. You will find a wealth of information and help here from some very knowledgeable and like minded sailors. 

I was given some very good advice when we first purchased our SM and that was to wait at least a year before making any changes to the original design/systems. We waited at least two years and I am glad we did. 

Likewise I wanted to add solar when we purchased but I heeded the advice. 

The waiting allowed us to evaluate whether we really wanted solar, determine what our normal energy needs were, and to see enough other Amel installations to know whether we wanted hard panels on an arch, the rails, etc or to go with flexible panels somewhere else. 

We opted for flexible panels on our Bimini top. 

I am so glad we waited as I now have a system that I am 100 percent happy with and one that is exceeding our expectations on power generation. 

You can read about our project and install here:


All the Best,

Paul Stascavage 
S/V Rita Kathryn  SM #466

RitaKathryn.com

Currently Exploring City Island 


Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi Paul;

 

Can you please share your experience with your installation on your bimini top? This is the location we are looking at for our solar panels, but are concerned about the shadow effect of the boom and sails on power generation. The following are relevant to our design and would appreciate some information about your installation:

 

  1. What manufacturer and type of solar did you use?
  2. How many panels and what is the total rated wattage?
  3. How much is your daily average amp hour production on a normal day.
  4. How many solar controllers ?
  5. Parallel or series connection of the panels?

 

We are trying to decide whether to go with a soft or hardtop for the panels. Any issues with your installation or anything you would do different? If you have some pictures, that would help.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Paul Stascavage via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 6:22 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Stainless steel arch Canaries

 

ÔĽŅAndy,

 

Congratulations on your purchase and welcome to the group. You will find a wealth of information and help here from some very knowledgeable and like minded sailors. 

 

I was given some very good advice when we first purchased our SM and that was to wait at least a year before making any changes to the original design/systems. We waited at least two years and I am glad we did. 

 

Likewise I wanted to add solar when we purchased but I heeded the advice. 

 

The waiting allowed us to evaluate whether we really wanted solar, determine what our normal energy needs were, and to see enough other Amel installations to know whether we wanted hard panels on an arch, the rails, etc or to go with flexible panels somewhere else. 

 

We opted for flexible panels on our Bimini top. 

 

I am so glad we waited as I now have a system that I am 100 percent happy with and one that is exceeding our expectations on power generation. 

 

You can read about our project and install here:

 

 

All the Best,

 

Paul Stascavage 

S/V Rita Kathryn  SM #466

 

RitaKathryn.com

 

Currently Exploring City Island 

 


Paul Stascavage
 

Hello Mohammad,

I would be more than happy to answer your questions and share any information that may be helpful. 


I would suggest you first read the following post which will answer many or your questions and possibly raise a few more. 

You can read about our project and install here:
 
 
After reading the post from the link above, feel free to ask any questions you have. 

All the Best,
 
Paul Stascavage 
S/V Rita Kathryn  SM #466
 
RitaKathryn.com
 
Currently Exploring City Island 


karkauai
 

Hi Mohammad,
I put 600W of hard panels on my arch, and 250W soft panels on my cockpit enclosure. The soft ones are mounted aft of the boom, but still contribute only 7% of my total solar charging experience. When at anchor I swing the boom off to the side, but still don't see significant output.  There's almost always a shadow from a shroud or mast on one of the panels. I have both of the panels on the same controller, I would probably get better output if they were on separate controllers.

As currently configured, the soft panels aren't worth the money and effort. The hard panels on the arch are great.

Kent and Iris
SM 243
Kristy

On Jul 16, 2020 10:56 AM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

Hi Paul;

 

Can you please share your experience with your installation on your bimini top? This is the location we are looking at for our solar panels, but are concerned about the shadow effect of the boom and sails on power generation. The following are relevant to our design and would appreciate some information about your installation:

 

  1. What manufacturer and type of solar did you use?
  2. How many panels and what is the total rated wattage?
  3. How much is your daily average amp hour production on a normal day.
  4. How many solar controllers ?
  5. Parallel or series connection of the panels?

 

We are trying to decide whether to go with a soft or hardtop for the panels. Any issues with your installation or anything you would do different? If you have some pictures, that would help.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Paul Stascavage via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 6:22 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Stainless steel arch Canaries

 

ÔĽŅAndy,

 

Congratulations on your purchase and welcome to the group. You will find a wealth of information and help here from some very knowledgeable and like minded sailors. 

 

I was given some very good advice when we first purchased our SM and that was to wait at least a year before making any changes to the original design/systems. We waited at least two years and I am glad we did. 

 

Likewise I wanted to add solar when we purchased but I heeded the advice. 

 

The waiting allowed us to evaluate whether we really wanted solar, determine what our normal energy needs were, and to see enough other Amel installations to know whether we wanted hard panels on an arch, the rails, etc or to go with flexible panels somewhere else. 

 

We opted for flexible panels on our Bimini top. 

 

I am so glad we waited as I now have a system that I am 100 percent happy with and one that is exceeding our expectations on power generation. 

 

You can read about our project and install here:

 

 

All the Best,

 

Paul Stascavage 

S/V Rita Kathryn  SM #466

 

RitaKathryn.com

 

Currently Exploring City Island 

 



Mohammad Shirloo
 

Thanks Kent. Trying hard not to affect the design and lines of the 54 with an Arch. Even though the stern is the most logical place for it. I think some of the new solar panels are less sensitive to shadow and multiple controllers, stratigcally connected, should produce better results.  Still a work in progress.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of karkauai via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 9:33 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Stainless steel arch Canaries

 

Hi Mohammad,

I put 600W of hard panels on my arch, and 250W soft panels on my cockpit enclosure. The soft ones are mounted aft of the boom, but still contribute only 7% of my total solar charging experience. When at anchor I swing the boom off to the side, but still don't see significant output.  There's almost always a shadow from a shroud or mast on one of the panels. I have both of the panels on the same controller, I would probably get better output if they were on separate controllers.

 

As currently configured, the soft panels aren't worth the money and effort. The hard panels on the arch are great.

 

Kent and Iris

SM 243

Kristy

 

On Jul 16, 2020 10:56 AM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

Hi Paul;

 

Can you please share your experience with your installation on your bimini top? This is the location we are looking at for our solar panels, but are concerned about the shadow effect of the boom and sails on power generation. The following are relevant to our design and would appreciate some information about your installation:

 

  1. What manufacturer and type of solar did you use?
  2. How many panels and what is the total rated wattage?
  3. How much is your daily average amp hour production on a normal day.
  4. How many solar controllers ?
  5. Parallel or series connection of the panels?

 

We are trying to decide whether to go with a soft or hardtop for the panels. Any issues with your installation or anything you would do different? If you have some pictures, that would help.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Paul Stascavage via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 6:22 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Stainless steel arch Canaries

 

ÔĽŅAndy,

 

Congratulations on your purchase and welcome to the group. You will find a wealth of information and help here from some very knowledgeable and like minded sailors. 

 

I was given some very good advice when we first purchased our SM and that was to wait at least a year before making any changes to the original design/systems. We waited at least two years and I am glad we did. 

 

Likewise I wanted to add solar when we purchased but I heeded the advice. 

 

The waiting allowed us to evaluate whether we really wanted solar, determine what our normal energy needs were, and to see enough other Amel installations to know whether we wanted hard panels on an arch, the rails, etc or to go with flexible panels somewhere else. 

 

We opted for flexible panels on our Bimini top. 

 

I am so glad we waited as I now have a system that I am 100 percent happy with and one that is exceeding our expectations on power generation. 

 

You can read about our project and install here:

 

 

All the Best,

 

Paul Stascavage 

S/V Rita Kathryn  SM #466

 

RitaKathryn.com

 

Currently Exploring City Island 

 

 


Paul Stascavage
 

Hello Kent

i hope all is well with you and Iris. 


We have 680 watts on the Bimini (four 170 watt panels). 340 Port and 340 Sartboard. The panels on each side are connected in series with each side going to its own controller. We also move the boom to the side while at anchor and although I do get some shading at times it doesn’t seem to be a big issue. Output varies depending on numerous factors but we are typically seeing between 100 and 150 amp hours per day. 


I’m betting you would see a significant improvement if you were to add a second controller. 


All the Best,

 
Paul Stascavage 
S/V Rita Kathryn  SM #466
 
RitaKathryn.com
 
Currently Exploring City Island 


Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi Paul;

 

I read your blog, thanks for the link. Is the 100-150 amp hours/day you are seeing at 24Volts?  That would translate to 2.4KW to 3.6KW yield/day from your 680W total solar array. Does this sound about right?

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Paul Stascavage via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 10:16 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Stainless steel arch Canaries

 

Hello Kent

i hope all is well with you and Iris. 


We have 680 watts on the Bimini (four 170 watt panels). 340 Port and 340 Sartboard. The panels on each side are connected in series with each side going to its own controller. We also move the boom to the side while at anchor and although I do get some shading at times it doesn’t seem to be a big issue. Output varies depending on numerous factors but we are typically seeing between 100 and 150 amp hours per day. 


I’m betting you would see a significant improvement if you were to add a second controller. 


All the Best,

 

Paul Stascavage 

S/V Rita Kathryn  SM #466

 

RitaKathryn.com

 

Currently Exploring City Island 


Paul Stascavage
 

Hello Mohammad

Yes, that is at 24 volts.  So far the output has been exceeding my expectations.  Feel free to reach out with any additional questions.


All the Best,

 
Paul Stascavage 
S/V Rita Kathryn  SM #466
 
RitaKathryn.com
 
Currently Exploring City Island 


Mohammad Shirloo
 

That is great Paul. Do you mind sharing the manufacturer and model number of the panels you used and the cost of the panels?

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Paul Stascavage via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 10:33 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Stainless steel arch Canaries

 

Hello Mohammad

Yes, that is at 24 volts.  So far the output has been exceeding my expectations.  Feel free to reach out with any additional questions.


All the Best,

 

Paul Stascavage 

S/V Rita Kathryn  SM #466

 

RitaKathryn.com

 

Currently Exploring City Island 


Paul Stascavage
 

Mohammed,

The panels are SunPower semi flexible 170 watt panels. 


The controllers are 100/15 Victron MPPT’s

The panels were about $500 each and the controllers were about 140 each. 

If you are going to go with SunPower I would highly recommend SunPoweredYachts.com. They are a small company based in Hawaii but everything ships free from the mainland. The owner Lyall, is fantastic and very communicative both before and after the sale. He is very accessible and customer service oriented.


Again if you have any additional questions don’t hesitate to ask.

All the Best,

 
Paul Stascavage 
S/V Rita Kathryn  SM #466
 
RitaKathryn.com
 
Currently Exploring City Island 
 

 


Mohammad Shirloo
 

Thank you. I’m sure more questions will pop up as we get more involved in the design.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Paul Stascavage via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 1:15 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Stainless steel arch Canaries

 

Mohammed,

The panels are SunPower semi flexible 170 watt panels. 


The controllers are 100/15 Victron MPPT’s

The panels were about $500 each and the controllers were about 140 each. 

If you are going to go with SunPower I would highly recommend SunPoweredYachts.com. They are a small company based in Hawaii but everything ships free from the mainland. The owner Lyall, is fantastic and very communicative both before and after the sale. He is very accessible and customer service oriented.


Again if you have any additional questions don’t hesitate to ask.

All the Best,

 

Paul Stascavage 

S/V Rita Kathryn  SM #466

 

RitaKathryn.com

 

Currently Exploring City Island