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I have an estimate to replace my standing rigging, including the masts. The estimate includes pulling the masts. This seems to me to be excessive. To my knowledge there are no issues with the masts and I would prefer not to disrupt seals that are not leaking and the boat is currently on the hard. However, I have been informed they will not do the mast rigging without pulling the masts.
Is this standard procedure for standing rigging replacement?
Peggy
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Some standing rigging can be replaced without stepping the mast. This is the case for the Amel 54 and I believe for the Super Maramu, but I'm not certain. You have to have a rigger that is familiar with the rigging to know the sequence of removal and replacement. We just replaced the entire rigging in the water in a marina. We used Nicky Samut from Malta. He would be the person to contact. I believe he has replaced several Amel rigging without stepping the masts. I would highly recommend Nicky. We flew Nicky from Malta to Rome to have ours done. It is also important for the rigger to know how to set an Amel rig, which is different than most others.
A word of caution. If the sequence of removal and replacement is not performed correctly, or the masts are not supported sufficiently during the process, It could lead to the loss of the rig. The weather, wind, wake and waves in the area (If performing in water) will also be a factor to keep a close eye on.
Happy Sailing;
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
AMEL 54 #099
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From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peggy Rotan via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2022 8:19 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Standing Rigging Replacement
I have an estimate to replace my standing rigging, including the masts. The estimate includes pulling the masts. This seems to me to be excessive. To my knowledge there are no issues with the masts and I would prefer not to disrupt seals that are not leaking and the boat is currently on the hard. However, I have been informed they will not do the mast rigging without pulling the masts.
Is this standard procedure for standing rigging replacement?
Peggy
SV Bearfoot SM #36
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No, it is not a standard methodology to pull the masts. Where do you want to do this rigging change? | | CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School | | | 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 | |
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I have an estimate to replace my standing rigging, including the masts. The estimate includes pulling the masts. This seems to me to be excessive. To my knowledge there are no issues with the masts and I would prefer not to disrupt seals that are not leaking and the boat is currently on the hard. However, I have been informed they will not do the mast rigging without pulling the masts.
Is this standard procedure for standing rigging replacement?
Peggy
SV Bearfoot SM #36
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If you will allow me, I believe there are at least 2 considerations here: (1) what can/should be done Amel-specific; (2) the policy of the service provider (eg marina/boatyard/rigger). On the first, I defer to others with Amel-specific knowledge & expertise. On the second, I had my standing rigging replaced (on another boat) in Lavrio, Greece. The marina boatyard would only do it ashore if, in line with their policy, the mast was pulled (for safety reasons they said), irrespective the mast was in good condition and irrespective the previous change of standing rigging (9 years before, also ashore, in Portugal) was done with the mast up. John (S/Y Inuit, Maramu #253)
I have an estimate to replace my standing rigging, including the masts. The estimate includes pulling the masts. This seems to me to be excessive. To my knowledge there are no issues with the masts and I would prefer not to disrupt seals that are not leaking and the boat is currently on the hard. However, I have been informed they will not do the mast rigging without pulling the masts.
Is this standard procedure for standing rigging replacement?
Peggy
SV Bearfoot SM #36
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The yard may make rules that benefit the yard. The yard gets revenue for the use of their crane when unstepping masts.
If anyone is going to install new standing rigging in a yard on hard stand the masts should come down. BUT, if you install standing rigging while floating, the masts do not need to come down on any Amel I know of. Of, course this doesn't apply to other brands.
If you will allow me, I believe there are at least 2 considerations here: (1) what can/should be done Amel-specific; (2) the policy of the service provider (eg marina/boatyard/rigger). On the first, I defer to others with Amel-specific knowledge & expertise. On the second, I had my standing rigging replaced (on another boat) in Lavrio, Greece. The marina boatyard would only do it ashore if, in line with their policy, the mast was pulled (for safety reasons they said), irrespective the mast was in good condition and irrespective the previous change of standing rigging (9 years before, also ashore, in Portugal) was done with the mast up. John (S/Y Inuit, Maramu #253)
I have an estimate to replace my standing rigging, including the masts. The estimate includes pulling the masts. This seems to me to be excessive. To my knowledge there are no issues with the masts and I would prefer not to disrupt seals that are not leaking and the boat is currently on the hard. However, I have been informed they will not do the mast rigging without pulling the masts.
Is this standard procedure for standing rigging replacement?
Peggy
SV Bearfoot SM #36
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The boat is in Jacksonville Florida.
I am also being advised that I need to inspect, repair or replace my mast “boots”. Do the masts need to be removed to do this?
On Nov 3, 2022, at 9:15 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
The yard may make rules that benefit the yard. The yard gets revenue for the use of their crane when unstepping masts.
If anyone is going to install new standing rigging in a yard on hard stand the masts should come down. BUT, if you install standing rigging while floating, the masts do not need to come down on any Amel I know of. Of, course this doesn't apply to other brands. If you will allow me, I believe there are at least 2 considerations here: (1) what can/should be done Amel-specific; (2) the policy of the service provider (eg marina/boatyard/rigger). On the first, I defer to others with Amel-specific knowledge & expertise. On the second, I had my standing rigging replaced (on another boat) in Lavrio, Greece. The marina boatyard would only do it ashore if, in line with their policy, the mast was pulled (for safety reasons they said), irrespective the mast was in good condition and irrespective the previous change of standing rigging (9 years before, also ashore, in Portugal) was done with the mast up. John (S/Y Inuit, Maramu #253)
I have an estimate to replace my standing rigging, including the masts. The estimate includes pulling the masts. This seems to me to be excessive. To my knowledge there are no issues with the masts and I would prefer not to disrupt seals that are not leaking and the boat is currently on the hard. However, I have been informed they will not do the mast rigging without pulling the masts.
Is this standard procedure for standing rigging replacement?
Peggy
SV Bearfoot SM #36
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Deck-stepped masts, as on Amels do not have boots...that is for keel-stepped masts (green circle).
I am wondering if the person giving you advice understands what you have.
Where are you?  | | CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School | | | 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 | |
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The boat is in Jacksonville Florida.
I am also being advised that I need to inspect, repair or replace my mast “boots”. Do the masts need to be removed to do this? On Nov 3, 2022, at 9:15 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
The yard may make rules that benefit the yard. The yard gets revenue for the use of their crane when unstepping masts.
If anyone is going to install new standing rigging in a yard on hard stand the masts should come down. BUT, if you install standing rigging while floating, the masts do not need to come down on any Amel I know of. Of, course this doesn't apply to other brands. If you will allow me, I believe there are at least 2 considerations here: (1) what can/should be done Amel-specific; (2) the policy of the service provider (eg marina/boatyard/rigger). On the first, I defer to others with Amel-specific knowledge & expertise. On the second, I had my standing rigging replaced (on another boat) in Lavrio, Greece. The marina boatyard would only do it ashore if, in line with their policy, the mast was pulled (for safety reasons they said), irrespective the mast was in good condition and irrespective the previous change of standing rigging (9 years before, also ashore, in Portugal) was done with the mast up. John (S/Y Inuit, Maramu #253)
I have an estimate to replace my standing rigging, including the masts. The estimate includes pulling the masts. This seems to me to be excessive. To my knowledge there are no issues with the masts and I would prefer not to disrupt seals that are not leaking and the boat is currently on the hard. However, I have been informed they will not do the mast rigging without pulling the masts.
Is this standard procedure for standing rigging replacement?
Peggy
SV Bearfoot SM #36
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Thank you for the information. I obviously need to do some more research. I need to know what seals the mast from water in the winch handle holder on the main mast. There is an electrical cable from the sail motor that goes into this holder, through the hull and into an electrical raceway located in the forward head that is leaking in rain downpours.
On Nov 3, 2022, at 10:13 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
Deck-stepped masts, as on Amels do not have boots...that is for keel-stepped masts (green circle).
I am wondering if the person giving you advice understands what you have.
Where are you? <image.png> | | CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School | | | 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 | |
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The boat is in Jacksonville Florida.
I am also being advised that I need to inspect, repair or replace my mast “boots”. Do the masts need to be removed to do this? On Nov 3, 2022, at 9:15 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
The yard may make rules that benefit the yard. The yard gets revenue for the use of their crane when unstepping masts.
If anyone is going to install new standing rigging in a yard on hard stand the masts should come down. BUT, if you install standing rigging while floating, the masts do not need to come down on any Amel I know of. Of, course this doesn't apply to other brands. If you will allow me, I believe there are at least 2 considerations here: (1) what can/should be done Amel-specific; (2) the policy of the service provider (eg marina/boatyard/rigger). On the first, I defer to others with Amel-specific knowledge & expertise. On the second, I had my standing rigging replaced (on another boat) in Lavrio, Greece. The marina boatyard would only do it ashore if, in line with their policy, the mast was pulled (for safety reasons they said), irrespective the mast was in good condition and irrespective the previous change of standing rigging (9 years before, also ashore, in Portugal) was done with the mast up. John (S/Y Inuit, Maramu #253)
I have an estimate to replace my standing rigging, including the masts. The estimate includes pulling the masts. This seems to me to be excessive. To my knowledge there are no issues with the masts and I would prefer not to disrupt seals that are not leaking and the boat is currently on the hard. However, I have been informed they will not do the mast rigging without pulling the masts.
Is this standard procedure for standing rigging replacement?
Peggy
SV Bearfoot SM #36
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Relative newbie here but my understanding is that leaking, if into that pocket compartment in passageway next to forward head, is designed to happen and drain in to bilge. That is why there should be a dip in the wires to ensure water drips off and not down
along the wire further. I had a bunch of bird dropping seed/pits in mine that shows you how stuff can get down in there. Dang Florida birds would sit on my triatic and bomb me at all hours of the day.
Christian Sloane
Escapades, SM 2K #350
Ensenada, MX
On Nov 3, 2022, at 11:23 AM, Peggy Rotan via groups.io <pjrotan@...> wrote:
Thank you for the information. I obviously need to do some more research. I need to know what seals the mast from water in the winch handle holder on the main mast. There is an electrical cable from the sail motor that goes into this holder,
through the hull and into an electrical raceway located in the forward head that is leaking in rain downpours.
On Nov 3, 2022, at 10:13 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
Deck-stepped masts, as on Amels do not have boots...that is for keel-stepped masts (green circle).
I am wondering if the person giving you advice understands what you have.
Where are you?
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720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550
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The boat is in Jacksonville Florida.
I am also being advised that I need to inspect, repair or replace my mast “boots”. Do the masts need to be removed to do this?
On Nov 3, 2022, at 9:15 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
The yard may make rules that benefit the yard. The yard gets revenue for the use of their crane when unstepping masts.
If anyone is going to install new standing rigging in a yard on hard stand the masts should come down. BUT, if you install standing rigging while floating, the masts do not need to come down on any Amel I know of. Of, course this doesn't apply
to other brands.
If you will allow me, I believe there are at least 2 considerations here: (1) what can/should be done Amel-specific; (2) the policy of the service provider (eg marina/boatyard/rigger). On the first, I defer to others
with Amel-specific knowledge & expertise. On the second, I had my standing rigging replaced (on another boat) in Lavrio, Greece. The marina boatyard would
only do it ashore if, in line with their policy, the mast was pulled (for safety reasons they said), irrespective the mast was in good condition and irrespective the previous change of standing rigging (9 years before, also ashore, in Portugal) was done
with the mast up. John (S/Y Inuit, Maramu #253)
I have an estimate to replace my standing rigging, including the masts. The estimate includes pulling the masts. This seems to me to be excessive. To my knowledge there are no issues with the masts and I would prefer not to disrupt seals that are not
leaking and the boat is currently on the hard. However, I have been informed they will not do the mast rigging without pulling the masts.
Is this standard procedure for standing rigging replacement?
Peggy
SV Bearfoot SM #36
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Correction: I meant deck not hull.
Begin forwarded message:
From: "Peggy Rotan via groups.io" <pjrotan@...> Date: November 3, 2022 at 10:23:33 AM AKDT To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Standing Rigging ReplacementReply-To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Thank you for the information. I obviously need to do some more research. I need to know what seals the mast from water in the winch handle holder on the main mast. There is an electrical cable from the sail motor that goes into this holder, through the hull and into an electrical raceway located in the forward head that is leaking in rain downpours. On Nov 3, 2022, at 10:13 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
Deck-stepped masts, as on Amels do not have boots...that is for keel-stepped masts (green circle).
I am wondering if the person giving you advice understands what you have.
Where are you? <image.png> | | CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School | | | 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 | |
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The boat is in Jacksonville Florida.
I am also being advised that I need to inspect, repair or replace my mast “boots”. Do the masts need to be removed to do this? On Nov 3, 2022, at 9:15 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
The yard may make rules that benefit the yard. The yard gets revenue for the use of their crane when unstepping masts.
If anyone is going to install new standing rigging in a yard on hard stand the masts should come down. BUT, if you install standing rigging while floating, the masts do not need to come down on any Amel I know of. Of, course this doesn't apply to other brands. If you will allow me, I believe there are at least 2 considerations here: (1) what can/should be done Amel-specific; (2) the policy of the service provider (eg marina/boatyard/rigger). On the first, I defer to others with Amel-specific knowledge & expertise. On the second, I had my standing rigging replaced (on another boat) in Lavrio, Greece. The marina boatyard would only do it ashore if, in line with their policy, the mast was pulled (for safety reasons they said), irrespective the mast was in good condition and irrespective the previous change of standing rigging (9 years before, also ashore, in Portugal) was done with the mast up. John (S/Y Inuit, Maramu #253)
I have an estimate to replace my standing rigging, including the masts. The estimate includes pulling the masts. This seems to me to be excessive. To my knowledge there are no issues with the masts and I would prefer not to disrupt seals that are not leaking and the boat is currently on the hard. However, I have been informed they will not do the mast rigging without pulling the masts.
Is this standard procedure for standing rigging replacement?
Peggy
SV Bearfoot SM #36
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JB Duler
Peggy, Since you are in FL I suggest you sail down to Fort Lauderdale. A good rigging company is
Nance & Underwood Rigging
262 SW 33rd St, Fort Lauderdale, FL 33315
https://goo.gl/maps/Z6Wq3jxQ8wWDk1bK9-- John Bernard "JB" Duler San Francisco Meltem # 19, Western Med
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Thank you for the information. It looked intentional when I looked in the raceway. I was not sure if that was original design or someones “fix”.
Is this hole for the electrical cable sealed to prevent water from getting into the core of the deck?
I had to have repairs made where the electrical cable for the windless went through a penetration in the deck due to water in the core. Peggy Rotan SV Bearfoot SM#36
On Nov 3, 2022, at 10:43 AM, peggy rotan <pjrotan@...> wrote:
Correction: I meant deck not hull.
Begin forwarded message:
From: "Peggy Rotan via groups.io" <pjrotan@...> Date: November 3, 2022 at 10:23:33 AM AKDT To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Standing Rigging ReplacementReply-To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Thank you for the information. I obviously need to do some more research. I need to know what seals the mast from water in the winch handle holder on the main mast. There is an electrical cable from the sail motor that goes into this holder, through the hull and into an electrical raceway located in the forward head that is leaking in rain downpours. On Nov 3, 2022, at 10:13 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
Deck-stepped masts, as on Amels do not have boots...that is for keel-stepped masts (green circle).
I am wondering if the person giving you advice understands what you have.
Where are you? <image.png> | | CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School | | | 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 | |
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The boat is in Jacksonville Florida.
I am also being advised that I need to inspect, repair or replace my mast “boots”. Do the masts need to be removed to do this? On Nov 3, 2022, at 9:15 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
The yard may make rules that benefit the yard. The yard gets revenue for the use of their crane when unstepping masts.
If anyone is going to install new standing rigging in a yard on hard stand the masts should come down. BUT, if you install standing rigging while floating, the masts do not need to come down on any Amel I know of. Of, course this doesn't apply to other brands. If you will allow me, I believe there are at least 2 considerations here: (1) what can/should be done Amel-specific; (2) the policy of the service provider (eg marina/boatyard/rigger). On the first, I defer to others with Amel-specific knowledge & expertise. On the second, I had my standing rigging replaced (on another boat) in Lavrio, Greece. The marina boatyard would only do it ashore if, in line with their policy, the mast was pulled (for safety reasons they said), irrespective the mast was in good condition and irrespective the previous change of standing rigging (9 years before, also ashore, in Portugal) was done with the mast up. John (S/Y Inuit, Maramu #253)
I have an estimate to replace my standing rigging, including the masts. The estimate includes pulling the masts. This seems to me to be excessive. To my knowledge there are no issues with the masts and I would prefer not to disrupt seals that are not leaking and the boat is currently on the hard. However, I have been informed they will not do the mast rigging without pulling the masts.
Is this standard procedure for standing rigging replacement?
Peggy
SV Bearfoot SM #36
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Hi Bill, just a matter of interest why the difference on the hard masts down, on the water no?Another thought, most boats hulls can distort when on the hard so if re rigged there final tune should be done floating. Perhaps not Amel?
Regards
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl
On 04/11/2022 06:13 CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
The yard may make rules that benefit the yard. The yard gets revenue for the use of their crane when unstepping masts.
If anyone is going to install new standing rigging in a yard on hard stand the masts should come down. BUT, if you install standing rigging while floating, the masts do not need to come down on any Amel I know of. Of, course this doesn't apply to other brands.
If you will allow me, I believe there are at least 2 considerations here: (1) what can/should be done Amel-specific; (2) the policy of the service provider (eg marina/boatyard/rigger). On the first, I defer to others with Amel-specific knowledge & expertise. On the second, I had my standing rigging replaced (on another boat) in Lavrio, Greece. The marina boatyard would only do it ashore if, in line with their policy, the mast was pulled (for safety reasons they said), irrespective the mast was in good condition and irrespective the previous change of standing rigging (9 years before, also ashore, in Portugal) was done with the mast up. John (S/Y Inuit, Maramu #253)
I have an estimate to replace my standing rigging, including the masts. The estimate includes pulling the masts. This seems to me to be excessive. To my knowledge there are no issues with the masts and I would prefer not to disrupt seals that are not leaking and the boat is currently on the hard. However, I have been informed they will not do the mast rigging without pulling the masts.
Is this standard procedure for standing rigging replacement?
Peggy
SV Bearfoot SM #36
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Here is a snippet from my Amel Book. This is the A54, but it is the same as the SM. Maybe this will give you an idea.
| | CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School | | | 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 | |
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Thank you for the information. I obviously need to do some more research. I need to know what seals the mast from water in the winch handle holder on the main mast. There is an electrical cable from the sail motor that goes into this holder, through the hull and into an electrical raceway located in the forward head that is leaking in rain downpours. On Nov 3, 2022, at 10:13 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
Deck-stepped masts, as on Amels do not have boots...that is for keel-stepped masts (green circle).
I am wondering if the person giving you advice understands what you have.
Where are you? <image.png> | | CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School | | | 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 | |
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The boat is in Jacksonville Florida.
I am also being advised that I need to inspect, repair or replace my mast “boots”. Do the masts need to be removed to do this? On Nov 3, 2022, at 9:15 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
The yard may make rules that benefit the yard. The yard gets revenue for the use of their crane when unstepping masts.
If anyone is going to install new standing rigging in a yard on hard stand the masts should come down. BUT, if you install standing rigging while floating, the masts do not need to come down on any Amel I know of. Of, course this doesn't apply to other brands. If you will allow me, I believe there are at least 2 considerations here: (1) what can/should be done Amel-specific; (2) the policy of the service provider (eg marina/boatyard/rigger). On the first, I defer to others with Amel-specific knowledge & expertise. On the second, I had my standing rigging replaced (on another boat) in Lavrio, Greece. The marina boatyard would only do it ashore if, in line with their policy, the mast was pulled (for safety reasons they said), irrespective the mast was in good condition and irrespective the previous change of standing rigging (9 years before, also ashore, in Portugal) was done with the mast up. John (S/Y Inuit, Maramu #253)
I have an estimate to replace my standing rigging, including the masts. The estimate includes pulling the masts. This seems to me to be excessive. To my knowledge there are no issues with the masts and I would prefer not to disrupt seals that are not leaking and the boat is currently on the hard. However, I have been informed they will not do the mast rigging without pulling the masts.
Is this standard procedure for standing rigging replacement?
Peggy
SV Bearfoot SM #36
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Thank you.
A picture is worth a thousand words. Peggy Rotan SV Bearfoot SM#36
On Nov 3, 2022, at 11:15 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
Here is a snippet from my Amel Book. This is the A54, but it is the same as the SM. Maybe this will give you an idea.
| | CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School | | | 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 | |
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Thank you for the information. I obviously need to do some more research. I need to know what seals the mast from water in the winch handle holder on the main mast. There is an electrical cable from the sail motor that goes into this holder, through the hull and into an electrical raceway located in the forward head that is leaking in rain downpours. On Nov 3, 2022, at 10:13 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
Deck-stepped masts, as on Amels do not have boots...that is for keel-stepped masts (green circle).
I am wondering if the person giving you advice understands what you have.
Where are you? <image.png> | | CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School | | | 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 | |
|
The boat is in Jacksonville Florida.
I am also being advised that I need to inspect, repair or replace my mast “boots”. Do the masts need to be removed to do this? On Nov 3, 2022, at 9:15 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
The yard may make rules that benefit the yard. The yard gets revenue for the use of their crane when unstepping masts.
If anyone is going to install new standing rigging in a yard on hard stand the masts should come down. BUT, if you install standing rigging while floating, the masts do not need to come down on any Amel I know of. Of, course this doesn't apply to other brands. If you will allow me, I believe there are at least 2 considerations here: (1) what can/should be done Amel-specific; (2) the policy of the service provider (eg marina/boatyard/rigger). On the first, I defer to others with Amel-specific knowledge & expertise. On the second, I had my standing rigging replaced (on another boat) in Lavrio, Greece. The marina boatyard would only do it ashore if, in line with their policy, the mast was pulled (for safety reasons they said), irrespective the mast was in good condition and irrespective the previous change of standing rigging (9 years before, also ashore, in Portugal) was done with the mast up. John (S/Y Inuit, Maramu #253)
I have an estimate to replace my standing rigging, including the masts. The estimate includes pulling the masts. This seems to me to be excessive. To my knowledge there are no issues with the masts and I would prefer not to disrupt seals that are not leaking and the boat is currently on the hard. However, I have been informed they will not do the mast rigging without pulling the masts.
Is this standard procedure for standing rigging replacement?
Peggy
SV Bearfoot SM #36
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If water is getting into your boat when it rains maybe the dropbox is clogged or the wire does not take a turn downward above the dripbox This is a snippet from Amel Book Supplements on the dripbox which is behind a panel near the ceiling outside of the forward head. Check it. The SM drip box drains into the forward head. There is almost no way water will follow this wire unless it is not routed correctly.  | | CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School | | | 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 | |
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Correction: I meant deck not hull.
Begin forwarded message:
Thank you for the information. I obviously need to do some more research. I need to know what seals the mast from water in the winch handle holder on the main mast. There is an electrical cable from the sail motor that goes into this holder, through the hull and into an electrical raceway located in the forward head that is leaking in rain downpours. On Nov 3, 2022, at 10:13 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
Deck-stepped masts, as on Amels do not have boots...that is for keel-stepped masts (green circle).
I am wondering if the person giving you advice understands what you have.
Where are you? <image.png> | | CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School | | | 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 | |
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The boat is in Jacksonville Florida.
I am also being advised that I need to inspect, repair or replace my mast “boots”. Do the masts need to be removed to do this? On Nov 3, 2022, at 9:15 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
The yard may make rules that benefit the yard. The yard gets revenue for the use of their crane when unstepping masts.
If anyone is going to install new standing rigging in a yard on hard stand the masts should come down. BUT, if you install standing rigging while floating, the masts do not need to come down on any Amel I know of. Of, course this doesn't apply to other brands. If you will allow me, I believe there are at least 2 considerations here: (1) what can/should be done Amel-specific; (2) the policy of the service provider (eg marina/boatyard/rigger). On the first, I defer to others with Amel-specific knowledge & expertise. On the second, I had my standing rigging replaced (on another boat) in Lavrio, Greece. The marina boatyard would only do it ashore if, in line with their policy, the mast was pulled (for safety reasons they said), irrespective the mast was in good condition and irrespective the previous change of standing rigging (9 years before, also ashore, in Portugal) was done with the mast up. John (S/Y Inuit, Maramu #253)
I have an estimate to replace my standing rigging, including the masts. The estimate includes pulling the masts. This seems to me to be excessive. To my knowledge there are no issues with the masts and I would prefer not to disrupt seals that are not leaking and the boat is currently on the hard. However, I have been informed they will not do the mast rigging without pulling the masts.
Is this standard procedure for standing rigging replacement?
Peggy
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Thank you. I will check it the next time I am on the boat.
I have decided to put off my standing rigging replacement until I learn more about it.
Thanks for all the good advice everyone. Peggy Rotan SV Bearfoot SM#36
On Nov 3, 2022, at 11:28 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
If water is getting into your boat when it rains maybe the dropbox is clogged or the wire does not take a turn downward above the dripbox This is a snippet from Amel Book Supplements on the dripbox which is behind a panel near the ceiling outside of the forward head. Check it. The SM drip box drains into the forward head. There is almost no way water will follow this wire unless it is not routed correctly. <image.png> | | CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School | | | 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 | |
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Correction: I meant deck not hull.
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Thank you for the information. I obviously need to do some more research. I need to know what seals the mast from water in the winch handle holder on the main mast. There is an electrical cable from the sail motor that goes into this holder, through the hull and into an electrical raceway located in the forward head that is leaking in rain downpours. On Nov 3, 2022, at 10:13 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
Deck-stepped masts, as on Amels do not have boots...that is for keel-stepped masts (green circle).
I am wondering if the person giving you advice understands what you have.
Where are you? <image.png> | | CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School | | | 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 | |
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The boat is in Jacksonville Florida.
I am also being advised that I need to inspect, repair or replace my mast “boots”. Do the masts need to be removed to do this? On Nov 3, 2022, at 9:15 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
The yard may make rules that benefit the yard. The yard gets revenue for the use of their crane when unstepping masts.
If anyone is going to install new standing rigging in a yard on hard stand the masts should come down. BUT, if you install standing rigging while floating, the masts do not need to come down on any Amel I know of. Of, course this doesn't apply to other brands. If you will allow me, I believe there are at least 2 considerations here: (1) what can/should be done Amel-specific; (2) the policy of the service provider (eg marina/boatyard/rigger). On the first, I defer to others with Amel-specific knowledge & expertise. On the second, I had my standing rigging replaced (on another boat) in Lavrio, Greece. The marina boatyard would only do it ashore if, in line with their policy, the mast was pulled (for safety reasons they said), irrespective the mast was in good condition and irrespective the previous change of standing rigging (9 years before, also ashore, in Portugal) was done with the mast up. John (S/Y Inuit, Maramu #253)
I have an estimate to replace my standing rigging, including the masts. The estimate includes pulling the masts. This seems to me to be excessive. To my knowledge there are no issues with the masts and I would prefer not to disrupt seals that are not leaking and the boat is currently on the hard. However, I have been informed they will not do the mast rigging without pulling the masts.
Is this standard procedure for standing rigging replacement?
Peggy
SV Bearfoot SM #36
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Jeroen van Bemmel
Hi, do you maybe have contact information for Nicky or his company?
Best regards,
Jeroen
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Jose Alegria
Nicky Sammut
+356 79271668
nickysail@...
Jose Alegria Amel55 #03-MERIT +351918663037 Josealegr@...
No dia 17/04/2023, às 10:38, Jeroen van Bemmel <jvbemmel@...> escreveu:
Hi, do you maybe have contact information for Nicky or his company?
Best regards,
Jeroen
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Nicky is great!
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On Mon, Apr 17, 2023 at 5:24 AM Jose Alegria < Josealegr@...> wrote: Nicky Sammut
+356 79271668
Jose Alegria Amel55 #03-MERIT +351918663037
No dia 17/04/2023, às 10:38, Jeroen van Bemmel <jvbemmel@...> escreveu:
Hi, do you maybe have contact information for Nicky or his company?
Best regards,
Jeroen
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