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Stuffing box drainage path


Craig Briggs
 

Judy & Ian -
Let me guess: It's the same answer I give when people ask if I've been sailing all my life ......, "Not Yet!"
Cheers, Craig & Katherine, SN68 Sangaris


ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

 Guys AND Gals,    ( Gotta get that right as the admiral on Pen Azen is female),

I share Danny's surprise, but maybe we are just lucky.  We have had water through the bow thruster but only when we have waited too long between changing the foam seals. We've just been through a big bash to windward when we had to motor sail into heavy seas---not a drop came in.  To be fair, we rarely use our bow thruster, as once we are afloat we prefer to live at anchor.

 As to the rudder stuffing box, I will have to leave you to guess if a drop has ever  come through in 19 years and nearly 65,000 miles, because my admiral is really superstitious and if I spelt out the answer she would hit me over the head with the anchor for tempting fate.

 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Greece


From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...>
Sent: 08 June 2019 07:20
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Stuffing box drainage path
 

Hi guys

 I am staggered at the equanimity with which you accept water ingress. At the first sign of seepage around either the bow thruster or the rudder shaft I fix it. If there is a biannual replacement of the thruster foam seals  an at sea change of the upper seal does it and likewise the stuffing box is a easy at sea fix. Regular maintenance of both reduces the chance of needing to do it at sea.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 08 June 2019 at 12:52 Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

Kent,

 

I think Cream Puff was retrofitted. We have a pump in the area that collects water from the leaking bow-thruster area connected to a sensor and alarm. When the sensor kicks in the alarm sounds and the pump automatically pumps the water into the forward head shower pan that obviously makes its way to the bilge. The alarm can be silenced for those trips when the bow thruster seriously need new seals.

 

I particularly like this set up because no modification was made to the watertight bulkhead.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of karkauai via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 7:09 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Stuffing box drainage path

 

Can that change be retrofitted to a 1999 SM?

Kent Robertson

S/V Kristy

USA cell: 828-234-6819


On Jun 7, 2019, at 8:11 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Gary 

 

Late model SM Bow Thrusters do capture any sea water seepage and drain that to the gray water bilge. This change was done sometime in 2003.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

 

On Thu, Jun 6, 2019, 6:40 PM Gary Wells <gary@...> wrote:

My bow thruster will not leak to an exit to the bilge.  It will be stopped at the forward head where it must be dealt with manually.  If you have a situation where seawater has a direct path to the the engine room bilge (other than the anchor locker), I would say that it's not original (or I didn't read your statement correctly). ..  

Having a water alarm next to the rudder quadrant is a great idea.  I just have to hoist the bed once a month while we're parked, once a day while we are underway.

Gary W.
SM 209, Adagio
Maryland, USA


 



 


 


Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi guys

 I am staggered at the equanimity with which you accept water ingress. At the first sign of seepage around either the bow thruster or the rudder shaft I fix it. If there is a biannual replacement of the thruster foam seals  an at sea change of the upper seal does it and likewise the stuffing box is a easy at sea fix. Regular maintenance of both reduces the chance of needing to do it at sea.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 08 June 2019 at 12:52 Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

Kent,

 

I think Cream Puff was retrofitted. We have a pump in the area that collects water from the leaking bow-thruster area connected to a sensor and alarm. When the sensor kicks in the alarm sounds and the pump automatically pumps the water into the forward head shower pan that obviously makes its way to the bilge. The alarm can be silenced for those trips when the bow thruster seriously need new seals.

 

I particularly like this set up because no modification was made to the watertight bulkhead.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of karkauai via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 7:09 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Stuffing box drainage path

 

Can that change be retrofitted to a 1999 SM?

Kent Robertson

S/V Kristy

USA cell: 828-234-6819


On Jun 7, 2019, at 8:11 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Gary 

 

Late model SM Bow Thrusters do capture any sea water seepage and drain that to the gray water bilge. This change was done sometime in 2003.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

 

On Thu, Jun 6, 2019, 6:40 PM Gary Wells <gary@...> wrote:

My bow thruster will not leak to an exit to the bilge.  It will be stopped at the forward head where it must be dealt with manually.  If you have a situation where seawater has a direct path to the the engine room bilge (other than the anchor locker), I would say that it's not original (or I didn't read your statement correctly). ..  

Having a water alarm next to the rudder quadrant is a great idea.  I just have to hoist the bed once a month while we're parked, once a day while we are underway.

Gary W.
SM 209, Adagio
Maryland, USA


 



 


 


 

Kent,

Let's add this to our agenda when we meet on your boat in July.

An identical retrofit would be difficult, but I've got an idea and a plan, which doesn't include pumps or bulkhead modifications. We can possibly do the modifications while I am there, then share it with everyone. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Fri, Jun 7, 2019, 6:09 PM karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Can that change be retrofitted to a 1999 SM?

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
USA cell: 828-234-6819

On Jun 7, 2019, at 8:11 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Gary 

Late model SM Bow Thrusters do capture any sea water seepage and drain that to the gray water bilge. This change was done sometime in 2003.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Thu, Jun 6, 2019, 6:40 PM Gary Wells <gary@...> wrote:
My bow thruster will not leak to an exit to the bilge.  It will be stopped at the forward head where it must be dealt with manually.  If you have a situation where seawater has a direct path to the the engine room bilge (other than the anchor locker), I would say that it's not original (or I didn't read your statement correctly). ..  

Having a water alarm next to the rudder quadrant is a great idea.  I just have to hoist the bed once a month while we're parked, once a day while we are underway.

Gary W.
SM 209, Adagio
Maryland, USA




Mark Erdos
 

Kent,

 

I think Cream Puff was retrofitted. We have a pump in the area that collects water from the leaking bow-thruster area connected to a sensor and alarm. When the sensor kicks in the alarm sounds and the pump automatically pumps the water into the forward head shower pan that obviously makes its way to the bilge. The alarm can be silenced for those trips when the bow thruster seriously need new seals.

 

I particularly like this set up because no modification was made to the watertight bulkhead.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of karkauai via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 7:09 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Stuffing box drainage path

 

Can that change be retrofitted to a 1999 SM?

Kent Robertson

S/V Kristy

USA cell: 828-234-6819


On Jun 7, 2019, at 8:11 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Gary 

 

Late model SM Bow Thrusters do capture any sea water seepage and drain that to the gray water bilge. This change was done sometime in 2003.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

 

On Thu, Jun 6, 2019, 6:40 PM Gary Wells <gary@...> wrote:

My bow thruster will not leak to an exit to the bilge.  It will be stopped at the forward head where it must be dealt with manually.  If you have a situation where seawater has a direct path to the the engine room bilge (other than the anchor locker), I would say that it's not original (or I didn't read your statement correctly). ..  

Having a water alarm next to the rudder quadrant is a great idea.  I just have to hoist the bed once a month while we're parked, once a day while we are underway.

Gary W.
SM 209, Adagio
Maryland, USA



John Clark
 

This is a mod that I want to do for Annie, SM 37.  I think a water indicator alarm would be a prudent addition to the water capture mod.


On Fri, Jun 7, 2019, 8:11 AM CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
Gary 

Late model SM Bow Thrusters do capture any sea water seepage and drain that to the gray water bilge. This change was done sometime in 2003.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Thu, Jun 6, 2019, 6:40 PM Gary Wells <gary@...> wrote:
My bow thruster will not leak to an exit to the bilge.  It will be stopped at the forward head where it must be dealt with manually.  If you have a situation where seawater has a direct path to the the engine room bilge (other than the anchor locker), I would say that it's not original (or I didn't read your statement correctly). ..  

Having a water alarm next to the rudder quadrant is a great idea.  I just have to hoist the bed once a month while we're parked, once a day while we are underway.

Gary W.
SM 209, Adagio
Maryland, USA




karkauai
 

Can that change be retrofitted to a 1999 SM?

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
USA cell: 828-234-6819

On Jun 7, 2019, at 8:11 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Gary 

Late model SM Bow Thrusters do capture any sea water seepage and drain that to the gray water bilge. This change was done sometime in 2003.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Thu, Jun 6, 2019, 6:40 PM Gary Wells <gary@...> wrote:
My bow thruster will not leak to an exit to the bilge.  It will be stopped at the forward head where it must be dealt with manually.  If you have a situation where seawater has a direct path to the the engine room bilge (other than the anchor locker), I would say that it's not original (or I didn't read your statement correctly). ..  

Having a water alarm next to the rudder quadrant is a great idea.  I just have to hoist the bed once a month while we're parked, once a day while we are underway.

Gary W.
SM 209, Adagio
Maryland, USA




 

Gary 

Late model SM Bow Thrusters do capture any sea water seepage and drain that to the gray water bilge. This change was done sometime in 2003.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Thu, Jun 6, 2019, 6:40 PM Gary Wells <gary@...> wrote:
My bow thruster will not leak to an exit to the bilge.  It will be stopped at the forward head where it must be dealt with manually.  If you have a situation where seawater has a direct path to the the engine room bilge (other than the anchor locker), I would say that it's not original (or I didn't read your statement correctly). ..  

Having a water alarm next to the rudder quadrant is a great idea.  I just have to hoist the bed once a month while we're parked, once a day while we are underway.

Gary W.
SM 209, Adagio
Maryland, USA




Gary Wells
 

My bow thruster will not leak to an exit to the bilge.  It will be stopped at the forward head where it must be dealt with manually.  If you have a situation where seawater has a direct path to the the engine room bilge (other than the anchor locker), I would say that it's not original (or I didn't read your statement correctly). ..  

Having a water alarm next to the rudder quadrant is a great idea.  I just have to hoist the bed once a month while we're parked, once a day while we are underway.

Gary W.
SM 209, Adagio
Maryland, USA




Mark Erdos
 

We installed a water sensor alarm in this area.

 

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Thomas Kleman
Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2019 5:34 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Stuffing box drainage path

 

As I write this, I want to be clear that a) my stuffing box is dry thanks to copying Eric Freedman's stuffing box extension idea and b) I'm not contemplating changing anything on my boat (SM2K 422). 

My question is more of a "why is it designed this way" question. 

There are a handful of normal paths for water to enter the boat. They all lead to the bilge or out of the boat directly. Chain locker and bow thruster....plumbed to bilge. Main mast furler wire loop.....drains in bow shower. Cockpit....to the scuppers.....but the stuffing box area just overflows into the starboard lower cubby in aft and all over floor. This, when that area would have been a downhill run under bed and into aft shower. Seemingly consistent with the other areas if it drained that way.

I suspect that the designers felt it was important to spot the first gallon of stuffing box leakage by making it obvious, but bow thruster and chain locker water buildup are arguably also important. 

As I said, I would never change something like this. Just wanted to understand more about the design theory.


Thomas Kleman
 

As I write this, I want to be clear that a) my stuffing box is dry thanks to copying Eric Freedman's stuffing box extension idea and b) I'm not contemplating changing anything on my boat (SM2K 422). 

My question is more of a "why is it designed this way" question. 

There are a handful of normal paths for water to enter the boat. They all lead to the bilge or out of the boat directly. Chain locker and bow thruster....plumbed to bilge. Main mast furler wire loop.....drains in bow shower. Cockpit....to the scuppers.....but the stuffing box area just overflows into the starboard lower cubby in aft and all over floor. This, when that area would have been a downhill run under bed and into aft shower. Seemingly consistent with the other areas if it drained that way.

I suspect that the designers felt it was important to spot the first gallon of stuffing box leakage by making it obvious, but bow thruster and chain locker water buildup are arguably also important. 

As I said, I would never change something like this. Just wanted to understand more about the design theory.