Turkey: Update on Gray Water and Black Water Disposal Requirements


Ulrich Michael Dangelmeyer
 

Dear Ameliens,

An important request to all those who are currently and already this year cruising in Turkey between Bodrum and Kas. Especially in the Aegean, Göcek, Marmaris, (Gulf of) Fethiye with its enchanting bays and caves:
The strict official handling of sewage disposal is apparently currently being tightened further. 


The previous blue card regulation no longer applies since May. The new regulation requires an additional grey water tank, which may only be pumped out. Local law enforcement by harbour masters and coast guards has apparently been tightened.

Who of you can tell us the actual current situation and practical handling so that you don't experience any handicaps or have to convert your ship beforehand? 
Our Amel vessels are built completely differently, and we have no possibility of converting our grey water sump into a closed tank.
Any information and experience is helpful and much appreciated, there is a lot of uncertainty and also local arbitrariness.

Best thanks and always fair winds.

Ulrich
S/Y „Soleil Bleu“ /A54#088
currently Leros GR
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Ian Park
 

I’m not in the Med, but If I were I would buy a large plastic water container, temporarily replace the outlet pipe on the bilge pump into the container to empty where you can.
Means being frugal with water at anchor. If this issue becomes more widespread I’d put a diverted valve on the outlet hose into a permanent tank.
From our Amel perspective this is a whole lot easier than a conventional boat with multiple seacock drains to sinks and showers.

Ian

Ocean Hobo (Wales)


Bernd Spanner
 

Simple, 
Türkiye (this is now the country’s official name) is of my list. I certainly do not change my boat for big bucks for  a country ran by moron Erdogan. It’s a pitty but adios Türkiye, will spent my money elsewhere 
--
Bernd
SN 119 / Greece


 

Bernd & others,

My Opinion:
Judy and I spent 3 years in Turkey and the Agean. What is written and what you hear is seldom what is enforced and often exaggerated or misstated. Turkey was a wonderful place to visit and ranks among the very best of the 58 countries we visited on our trip around the world.

BTW, we always told the people of every country that we NEVER judge a country and its people by their leaders. I am convinced that this should be considered when considering most countries in the world, certainly my country.

Of course, you have a right to your opinion, and I hope that your opinion is based on your direct experience. The reason that I hope this is that many members of the AYOG have never visited some places. Based on what they read here, they might never visit some great places.

Bill



CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   

On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 11:01 AM Bernd Spanner <bernd.spanner@...> wrote:
Simple, 
Türkiye (this is now the country’s official name) is of my list. I certainly do not change my boat for big bucks for  a country ran by moron Erdogan. It’s a pitty but adios Türkiye, will spent my money elsewhere 
--
Bernd
SN 119 / Greece


Nick Newington
 

I am now back in Greece; but spent the last two months in Turkey.

Fethiye Bay area is now very crowded. There are thousands of boats, many are power boats. I have to say that it is not as clean as it used to be, there is a lot of oil in the water as well as plastic and scum. The scum I believe is from the bilges.
Until now at least, nobody sends their shower water and dish water to a holding tank. Everyone uses holding tanks for sewage,  but then they empty them outside of the anchorages, maybe a mile away. They then do a pump out every two weeks which keeps the authorities happy. If one was to genuinely empty holding tanks only at pump out stations then it would mean pumping out every week or with a full boat every 2 days….the logistics make it unlikely to be enforced..
One problem is that many larger vessels run generators 24/7. This leaves a sooty oily residue.

I understand the need to tighten up….but for the moment it is not policed…of course all you need is an officious coast guard officer to be in real trouble..

Nick
S/YvAmelia
AML 55-019



On 27 Jun 2022, at 19:54, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


Bernd & others,

My Opinion:
Judy and I spent 3 years in Turkey and the Agean. What is written and what you hear is seldom what is enforced and often exaggerated or misstated. Turkey was a wonderful place to visit and ranks among the very best of the 58 countries we visited on our trip around the world.

BTW, we always told the people of every country that we NEVER judge a country and its people by their leaders. I am convinced that this should be considered when considering most countries in the world, certainly my country.

Of course, you have a right to your opinion, and I hope that your opinion is based on your direct experience. The reason that I hope this is that many members of the AYOG have never visited some places. Based on what they read here, they might never visit some great places.

Bill



CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   

On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 11:01 AM Bernd Spanner <bernd.spanner@...> wrote:
Simple, 
Türkiye (this is now the country’s official name) is of my list. I certainly do not change my boat for big bucks for  a country ran by moron Erdogan. It’s a pitty but adios Türkiye, will spent my money elsewhere 
--
Bernd
SN 119 / Greece


Matt Salatino
 

We are currently in Turkey, cruising from Finike to Kusadasi. Been in Turkey almost a year.  Now between Mamaris and Didim. Yes, no dumping of blackwater, but pump out facilities are ubiquitous. Never had an issue with Grey water discharge. If it were an issue, all sailing in Turkey would cease. The thousands of charter boats would be scrapped. The Noonsite article is grossly exaggerated  

BTW, Bill is spot on. Turkey is in the top 5 cruising grounds on the planet. 


Ulrich Michael Dangelmeyer
 

THX Matt for your real on-site feedback 
Enjoy Turkey and fair winds 
Ulrich 

Am 28.06.2022 um 13:52 schrieb Matt Salatino via groups.io <helmsmatt@...>:



We are currently in Turkey, cruising from Finike to Kusadasi. Been in Turkey almost a year.  Now between Mamaris and Didim. Yes, no dumping of blackwater, but pump out facilities are ubiquitous. Never had an issue with Grey water discharge. If it were an issue, all sailing in Turkey would cease. The thousands of charter boats would be scrapped. The Noonsite article is grossly exaggerated  

BTW, Bill is spot on. Turkey is in the top 5 cruising grounds on the planet. 


Rick Stanley
 

I second this. I actually lived in Turkiye for over a year and had a MAGNIFICENT time, regardless of the current political idiocies going on. The Turkish people are great, the culture is amazing, the country is beautiful, and at worst, you might have to sling a little tip to the law enforcement types to get them off your back. Such is the cost of business.

Rules are enforced when they feel like it, and usually aren't at all. Worth taking note of, but probably nothing to sweat too badly.

Rick Stanley
Capt, S/V Althea SM2000 #317
Rock Hall, MD